Ambassadors Hi, I'm fedora ambassador to Peru and I am organizing the Fedora
user community LINURP an event on November 6 at the launch of Fedora 14
(Fedora Party 2010) which will be held at the Ricardo Palma University in
Lima Peru, I would like to add to the list of global events but do not know
how anyone can help me or explain what the normal procedure as the guide is
not very clear we also would be helpful if you could send DVDs and Fedora
release13/14 sourveniers we could deliver to the 500 attendees that
potentially we will be convening.
Greetings and thank you very much for your help.
Fedora Ambassdor - Peru
Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2010, 10:22 -0400 schrieb Máirín Duffy:
> On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 09:03 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > > Some questions with my UX designer cap on:
> There are a lot of questions I asked that you haven't answered.
I'm sorry, I was on the train and I had to leave, therefor I finished
the mail after your first question. I felt I had answered them all,
because most of your questions were based on the false assumption that
dual layer was dual sided.
Anyway, for the record here is the rest:
> - For the dual layer, how do you intend to help users understand which
> side is which? (I'm guessing one side of the dual-layer is 32-bit, the
> other 64-bit?)
Dual layer is not dual sided. It's like any other media we distribute.
> - Does the manufacturer have a way of labeling the full center plastic
> ring or is it only just a narrow strip as with the SUSE discs?
Dual layer is not dual sided. One side will be labeled full.
> - If only a thin plastic ring is available, do you have any idea from
> the manufacturer on the character length limits of the label and a
> draft of what you would have it say for each side? How about character
> length limits for a wider center label?
Dual layer is not dual sided. It's like any other media we distribute.
> - Are these going to be provided in a printed sleeve? If so, do you
> have any mockups/designs/copy for the sleeve?
If we get the approval, we can do this within an hour. Remember, we
already had to do it for the Xfce and LXDE spins as the design team did
not help us.
> - What style sleeve - cardboard pocket or one with a plastic ring?
Cardboard pocket. Like any other media we distribute.
> It seems since it would be printed dual-layer, it would be difficult
> provide a good label for the disc making the sleeve design even more
> critical for identifying the disc and instructing users on how to use
Dual layer is not dual sided. It's like any other media we distribute.
> I was
> wondering if you could look them over and let me know. Thanks.
There are also a lot of questions from me to you or the board meanwhile.
Can you look over them? And another one is still to come: If you have so
many questions and concerns, why didn't you speak up during the board
meeting? (This goes for other board members too of course)
As I already said to Jesse: It seems the board is setting way higher
standards for testing or QA and has way more concerns for artwork or
infrastructure than for any other spin that was ever approved. To me and
many other ambassadors this looks as if the board is trying to
anticipate our volunteer work.
thanks for posting the meeting minutes.
Am Montag, den 18.10.2010, 15:26 -0400 schrieb Máirín Duffy:
> 4. EMEA Media question (ctyler, 19:01:29)
> 1. ACTION: ctyler to communicate to EMEA that the board is
> to having a disc-of-spins use the Fedora name as long as the
> spin-selection software is packaged for Fedora, the spins use the same
> name as on the spins website, with the exception of the desktop spin
> which should be called the "desktop spin" and we see a prototype for
> approval (ctyler, 19:11:54)
As far as I understand from reading the meeting logs, there are two
* It needs to be tested. The prototype is available for three
weeks now at http://sspreitzer.fedorapeople.org/torrents/ -
We will make an F14 dual layer version once live images of TC2
* The (one and only) desktop (TM) must not be referred to as the
"GNOME". We are not, please look at
GNOME is called "Fedora 14 Live" just like the ISO and is the
default selection. The only reference to the name GNOME is on
the filesystem. We will change this if it makes you happy.
Can we now please get the formal approval for the media? We cannot
afford to loose another week because we want the media available for the
F14 release events.
Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2010, 09:44 -0700 schrieb Jesse Keating:
> On 10/19/2010 04:22 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > Am Dienstag, den 19.10.2010, 00:09 -0700 schrieb Jesse Keating:
> >> On 10/19/2010 12:01 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> >>> Am Montag, den 18.10.2010, 20:35 -0700 schrieb Jesse Keating:
> >>>> There is not going to be a TC2. We are moving on to RC.
> >>> Is this process documented in the wiki somewhere?
> >> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-releng-tasks.html
> >> is probably the best place, which was linked to from
> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Schedule
> > The list only memtions the Tc, but nether TC1 and TC2 not the fact that
> > TC2 does not include live media.
> It mentions TC because there is only one Test Compose that is scheduled.
> Any additional test composes would be out of the normal and unplanned
> for. It isn't a case that TC2 does not include live, it's a case that
> there is no TC2.
Thanks for the explanation. This basically means that my initial
questions still stands: Is this documented somewhere in the wiki?
> >>>> It is FAR too
> >>>> late to be introducing technology that needs to be tested and planned
> >>>> for at this stage in the release cycle.
> >>> The only thing that needs testing is the boot menu. The rest is taken
> >>> care of by the normal spins/desktop testing we already do and did.
> >> That's still something that needs testing, needs a testing plan, needs
> >> coordination. Not something that can easily be slapped together in the
> >> less than one week since the concept became visible here.
> > What is there to test for a boot menu? What would a test plan look like.
> > Boot all menu entries and you are done.
> Have you attempted doing installs from each booted system?
I only tested my Spins (Xfce and LXDE), but David Nalley reported he had
installed them all successfully. I did not expect another results
because we are dealing with something that was (should have been)
already tested. The only difference is the boot catalog.
> What if somebody tries to make a USB device out of that iso?
Honestly I haven't tried, but as long as we don't say it is a supported
use case, we don't have to support it. What if somebody tries that with
our install DVDs? Do we test and guarantee that it works?
> The testing might
> be easy, but my point is that QA has no test plan for it, nor have they
> allocated resources or time to execute the test plan in order to pass or
> fail this offering.
Speaking of testing and resources: Where is the test plan for the spins
ans where are the results? AFAICS there are none, at least according to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_14_Test_Results only the
installation of the desktop live media has been tested.
> To try and get time to validate a test plan, no
> matter how easy it is, and to get time allocated to produce release
> candidates, distribute them, and execute the test plan at this point is
> really asking for too much. We're under the gun to get our already
> planned for test execution complete on time. Adding more will not help.
I would love to help here, unfortunately processes are poorly
documented, so it's hard to step in.
> >>>> I still haven't seen any plan for how to handle our source obligation.
> >>> I cannot give you a plan if nobody outlines the obligations to me.
> >> You need to speak to Fedora legal to figure out what your obligations are.
> > I have written them but no reply so far.
> >>> Why is the DVD different than the other spins?
> >> All the other things the project produces are made available on the
> >> website in binary form, alongside the source. It is not clear to me if
> >> your combined media set will be made available online in any way.
> > In my first email I wrote:
> >>> Given that [...]
> >>> * we have download location for the image on Fedora
> >>> infrastructure
> >>> * we put a readme on the spin whith the download location of
> >>> the SRPMs
> > Is there anything unclear about it?
> Sorry, I missed that. Fedora Infrastructure approved an additional 8~
> gig iso to be hosted and mirrored?
They will definitely not approve another 6 GB if it needs to be
mirrored, but I don't see why it needs to be mirrored. We are not doing
this for the other spins ether.
> >> It is
> >> not clear to me if a binary aggregate of all the spins can be satisfied
> >> by the sources we have online. It is not clear to me what method of
> >> GPLv2 source obligations you will be using when distributing these
> >> binary offerings.
> > This sounds a little vague to me. Can you please outline your concerns a
> > little deeper? AFAICS they apply to the other spins too as they also
> > have a boot menu.
> > What is the difference between shipping 8 single media and one dual
> > layer DVD? The only difference is the boot menu.
> You are correct that there is little difference between this and others.
> It has been an agenda item of mine for quite some time now to revisit
> how we do physical media offerings under the name of Fedora. It is of
> my opinion that we are not doing them correctly, but I am not a lawyer,
> and I haven't had the time to take it up with Fedora Legal as of yet.
Ok, there is little difference, nevertheless you bring this up. Same
with the other concerns:
* You demand test cases although none of the spins has any special
* You demand QA although we are not doing it for other spins
* You ask for mirroring although other spins are not mirrored
In this discussion, you and some board members suddenly seem to set
higher standards for the multi desktop DVD than for any other spin that
was ever approved. This leaves a bitter taste behind: While there may be
valid concerns, most arguments look like lame excuses to me. I have the
feeling that the board wants to anticipate a great feature that would
really make live of the ambassadors easier and be a great benefit to
Fedora. This way of treating the volunteer contributors will seriously
damage our community.
T Minus 2 weeks til our Fedora 14 Release Parties, Installfest, Meetup, and Events. :)
I saw some great photos/albums of other Fedora Ambassadors' events and parties at "Marketing photos" - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_photos
I think that this is worthy place to contribute to content to. :)
May we all provide support to make Fedora 14 a successful release!!! :)
Sending positive Fedora 13 and Fedora 14 energy to everyone's computer now!!! :v)
Please have a great day and/or evening! :~)
- David -
One stone; two birds.
To kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
Fedora Project's Japan & Maryland Ambassador dramsey(a)fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey
* Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 12 (Constantine) kernel - 126.96.36.199-115.fc12.i686.PAE
* Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 13 (Goddard) kernel - 188.8.131.52-131.fc13.i686.PAE
* Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 13 (Goddard) and Security Spin kernel - 184.108.40.206-112.fc13.i686.PAE
* Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Fedora 14 (Laughlin) kernel - 220.127.116.11-46.fc14.i686.PAE
* One (1) dual core system with 3.0 GB of RAM running the Red Hat 6 (Beta) kernel - 2.6.32-19.el6.i686
With eight (8) x86_64 computing cores, 16 GB of RAM and four SATA Seagate 7200.12 500 GB harddisks.
Is there any community that gathers all Balkans ambassadors in any
That would be nice, because that worked with Mozilla and they are doing fine
with meetups etc.
A month ago I've written a overview about Fedora Project in Albanian
Language about a local magazine called PC WORLD ALBANIAN. First it was
published in their website and now they have published on magazine which is
important for a country with low level education about free and open source
software to have articles about fedora itself.
Link for the photo: http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/575/fedorapcwal.jpg
Registration here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_EMEA_2010
.... for the last "legacy" FAD in Rheinfelden!
Hello Ambassadors around the world;
in special my friends in EMEA!
with that mail, I want to invite you the last time to a FAD in
Rheinfelden, which should be a reminder for the last six years of
contributing and my try to lead a group which spread the word for Fedora
in EMEA ...
This legacy FAD will be beside the last membeship meeting of Fedora EMEA
e.V. and takes place from
arrival: Friday, 2010-11-19 evening till
departure: sunday, 2010-11-21
and should be for all Ambassador who will lead a event in the Region
EMEA in 2011 or will need the last time my help(ing hand) in whatever.
Please register yourself by sending an E-Mail (to me) latest end of this
week, because I have again blocked some rooms in our wonderfull
I hope and wish I can say "good bye" in person to all my friends who
were beside me the last six years.
Hope to see you soon the last time in Rheinfelden
We, the EMEA ambasadors plan to do a multi-desktop spin for Fedora 14.
This is a dual layer DVD with all desktop spins on it:
* Desktop spin (a.k.a the spin that must not be called GNOME spin)
* KDE Spin
* LXDE Spin
* Xfce Spin
* Moblin Spin
in i686 and x86_64 (therefor we need to do dual layer). Everything is
tied together with a boot menu.
The board has said they would approve the spin and grant it the usage of
the Fedora trademark but
* we must not refer to GNOME as GNOME but as the 'desktop'
* they want it tested first.
We are fine with these two requirements, but on IRC Jesse indicated that
there might be other problems. Given that
* the spin only consists of 100% Fedora packages
* the spin only consists of approved Fedora spins
* the board grants us the use of the Fedora trademark
* we have download location for the image on Fedora infrastructure
* we put a readme on the spin whith the download location of the
are there any other legal requirements we need to take into account? If
so, please tell us ASAP.
We need to figure this out ASAP in order to have media for the Release
events. Any help and advice you can give us is highly appreciated.