Ladies and gentlemen!
Don't you remember there is an EMEA
(Europe, the Middle East, and Africa) Ambassador meeting
this Wednesday on #fedora-meeting ?
Day : Wednesday, November 10th, 2010
Time : 20:00 UTC (check 
to know your own time depending on your countries)
NOTE ! Keep in mind the recent DST changes!
Channel : #fedora-meeting
Meeting agenda (add your topic before the meeting please) : 
Unfortunately I would not be able to attend as I am traveling to
FOSSASIA to represent Fedora :) 20:00 UTC means 3am for VietNam :(
Christos Bacharakis (my beloved friend) is kindly taking over,
chairing this meeting !
Update your agendas, and don't forget to join us :)
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liknus @ GRnet , Freenode
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> I'm guessing someone took your statement of "I am hereby taking the
> logical step of stopping all my active contributions to this project",
> assumed that meant stepping down as an Ambassador, and then enacted
> the above process. If so, it doesn't appear malicious.
I agree with Bill. Let's not blame *anyone* for following processes.
That said, Sascha, if you were simply speaking out of anger -- something
that all of us do from time to time -- and not wanting your words to be
taken literally, I have no doubt that corrective actions can be taken.
I think every single person in Fedora needs to ask themselves a few
(1) Is the ratio of what you put into Fedora and what you get out of
Fedora one that is satisfactory to you?
(2) Are you participating because you want to move one (or a few)
particular things forward? Are you participating because you generally
want to help with the larger vision and structure of Fedora? Are you
participating because you are paid to do so?
(3) Are your reasons for participating inclusive, or exclusive? By that
I mean, for you to achieve what you want in Fedora, does that mean that
someone else will have to *not* achieve what they want?
(4) When your Fedora-related goals are stalled or blocked, is that
because of a conflict with another person? Is it because of missing
resources to help or aid you? Is it because of processes that need to
be either better understood, or changed?
For anyone, if the answers to these questions makes you believe that
Fedora is a good place for you, then please continue to participate.
And if the answers make you not want to participate in Fedora, then
don't. But also don't try to take everything apart as you leave.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen <kanarip(a)kanarip.com>wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 09, 2010 02:35:22 pm Adam Miller wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 12:20:02PM +0100, Sascha Thomas Spreitzer wrote:
> > > Dear Fedorians,
> > >
> > > as I feel frustration about my work in Fedora and I do not agree with
> > > todays Fedora governance and ruling system I am hereby taking the
> > > logical step of stopping all my active contributions to this project.
> > > One major point is that I feel exploited by RedHats installation of
> > > the Fedora Project and I do not feel it is ok to contribute for a
> > > companys benefit that is not equal to its project investment.
> > >
> > > Thats why I am saying goodbye, with the following sentence;
> > > "Microsoft is the evil we know. Novell and Oracle is the evil we got
> > > to know and Canonical and RedHat is the evil we will get to know."
> > While I respect your wishes and desires to move on in life, I have to
> > object to your statements about "Red Hat's installation of the Fedora
> > Project and I do not feel it is ok to contribute for a companys benefit
> > that is not equal to its project investment."
> > Red Hat employs many Fedora contributors in order to contribute
> > specifically to Fedora and that should be encouraged, not scoffed at. Red
> > Hat also funds almost 100% of the infrastructure that allows those of us
> > who contribute to contribute as well as their funding for all the
> > ambassador efforts and many many other bits throughout the Fedora scape.
> > I think the qualms that Red Hat is getting "something for nothing" isn't
> > accurate of Red Hat but is in fact true of many companies that use open
> > source in any way/shape/form for profit, but the difference is that Red
> > Hat actually takes action and contributes back to the open source
> > community in both code and content contribution as well as monetary
> > funding, and for that reason I am happy to stand by their efforts and
> > defend their name as an outsider of their organization and as a Fedora
> > contributor.
> I bet you can estimate how many holes I can make in your line of reasoning,
> and for the sake of argument, I won't. However, based on many, many
> incidents that -each by themselves- mean absolutely nothing, or may not seem
> to have all that much consequence, but together do indicate a larger
> problem, you can see where a certain perspective just doesn't meet another
> perspective. Once you realize that, more things become clearly visible.
> Kind regards,
> advisory-board mailing list
+1 for Jeroen
It's obvious that if you really believe what you say, this  (a big hole
in the line of reasoning), will ruin the open source world you say we can/do
live in. It's the kernel. What next, quit Linux? Of course not! :)
Anyway, I don't believe that you really believe what you say. But I know you
understand your sayings. I hope you reconsider how you face the particular
problem(s) that has/have occurred to you. I think the Fedora community has
shown that correct statement of thoughts is always welcome and valuable.
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constanton @ freenode
OK, The Fedora Release Party went good this time!!!
We had a number of attendees and onlookers too.
The event was all about the release of Fedora 14 and the features at a
glance. I gave a mini-talk about the way how community code and ideas get
integrated into features of which gets further integrated into foundations
and apps for Fedora and Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
We also discussed some differences between Redhat-based distros and
Debian-based distros. Towards the latter half of the event, we watched all
videos related to Linux and its application to the real world in all aspects
At the end there was a swag give-away and everyone in the event got a piece
of swag to take home and took home some live CD's and install DVD's too.
All in all, it was a good event and good times!!
>>> It's more about communication. Clear guidelines and statements would
>>> improve that a lot.
>> Then do the work!
> Yes, that's one of my aims when elected to FAmSco.
There's one thing I don't understand: why would you need to be on
FAmSCo to do the work?
As David stated a few days ago on the FAmSCO mailing-list: 
Fedora isn't a community of people who need permission to do things.
We've long had an unofficial mantra of 'You can do whatever you want
to do, as long as you do it.'
Improving the process doesn't require you to be sitting on FAmSCo.
>> Yes, that's one of my aims when elected to FAmSco.
> Understood this is your election campaign and you want to raise your
> public visibilty - but please do this not on the expense of people who
> do the work on daily base.
That's definitely not what I am doing. Just want to clarify that there
are different points of view.
And to make it clear. I am not saying you are doing a bad job or
something like that. Just want to make sure that improvements are