Cross posting to pulp and candlepin lists. I apologize in advance.
I am looking at how candlepin needs to communicate certificate revocation. The two main consumers I know of for this data are pulp (as part of katello) and thumbslug. In both cases, pulp and thumbslug are emitting a CDN interface and need to verify if a certificate presented to them are accurate.
There are three main options that I have seen. Basic pros and cons below. I am looking for feedback from both camps as which they would prefer. I would like to agree on one model to limit testing issues.
Certificate Revocation Lists (CRL) ================================== Candlepin generates CRLs which are read by Pulp/Thumbslug. Files are regenerated every X hours and need to be refreshed.
Pros: (1) Candlepin does this already! (2) Standards compliant
Cons: (1)As the tools are horzontally scaled, we need to design out how (1.1) Handle candlepin is on many machines (1.2) Handle when pulp/thumbslug is on different machines from candlepin
Online Certificate Status Protocol (OCSP) ========================================= An OCSP responder exists which can return a yes/no for certificates.
Pros: (1) Standards Compliant (2) Should solve the cross machine issues
Cons: (1) More work for Candlepin (2) May need to implementing a "mirror list" type solution for finding candlepin
Custom Wire Protocol ==================== Same model as OCSP, but custom protocol.
Pros: (1) Should be easier to implement than OCSP (2) Should resolve the cross machine issues
Cons: (1) Same as OCSP
Comments from folks?
-- bk
On 07/20/2011 12:30 PM, Bryan Kearney wrote:
Cross posting to pulp and candlepin lists. I apologize in advance.
I am looking at how candlepin needs to communicate certificate revocation. The two main consumers I know of for this data are pulp (as part of katello) and thumbslug. In both cases, pulp and thumbslug are emitting a CDN interface and need to verify if a certificate presented to them are accurate.
There are three main options that I have seen. Basic pros and cons below. I am looking for feedback from both camps as which they would prefer. I would like to agree on one model to limit testing issues.
Certificate Revocation Lists (CRL)
Candlepin generates CRLs which are read by Pulp/Thumbslug. Files are regenerated every X hours and need to be refreshed.
Pros: (1) Candlepin does this already! (2) Standards compliant
Cons: (1)As the tools are horzontally scaled, we need to design out how (1.1) Handle candlepin is on many machines (1.2) Handle when pulp/thumbslug is on different machines from candlepin
so the problem here is the replication of the crls? as well as the delay in their generation?
Online Certificate Status Protocol (OCSP)
An OCSP responder exists which can return a yes/no for certificates.
Pros: (1) Standards Compliant (2) Should solve the cross machine issues
Cons: (1) More work for Candlepin (2) May need to implementing a "mirror list" type solution for finding candlepin
Why would we need a mirror list? Is the idea here that each Candlepin would be an OCSP responder, hence needing a mirror list? or is there something else?
Custom Wire Protocol
Same model as OCSP, but custom protocol.
Pros: (1) Should be easier to implement than OCSP (2) Should resolve the cross machine issues
Cons: (1) Same as OCSP
Comments from folks?
What is this 'custom wire protocol' or is it truly custom in the sense that we can make it up? :D
jesus
On 07/20/2011 12:45 PM, jesus m. rodriguez wrote:
On 07/20/2011 12:30 PM, Bryan Kearney wrote:
Cross posting to pulp and candlepin lists. I apologize in advance.
I am looking at how candlepin needs to communicate certificate revocation. The two main consumers I know of for this data are pulp (as part of katello) and thumbslug. In both cases, pulp and thumbslug are emitting a CDN interface and need to verify if a certificate presented to them are accurate.
There are three main options that I have seen. Basic pros and cons below. I am looking for feedback from both camps as which they would prefer. I would like to agree on one model to limit testing issues.
Certificate Revocation Lists (CRL)
Candlepin generates CRLs which are read by Pulp/Thumbslug. Files are regenerated every X hours and need to be refreshed.
Pros: (1) Candlepin does this already! (2) Standards compliant
Cons: (1)As the tools are horzontally scaled, we need to design out how (1.1) Handle candlepin is on many machines (1.2) Handle when pulp/thumbslug is on different machines from candlepin
so the problem here is the replication of the crls? as well as the delay in their generation?
I dont think they delay is an issue, just need to account for it. It is more of replicating them across machines.
Online Certificate Status Protocol (OCSP)
An OCSP responder exists which can return a yes/no for certificates.
Pros: (1) Standards Compliant (2) Should solve the cross machine issues
Cons: (1) More work for Candlepin (2) May need to implementing a "mirror list" type solution for finding candlepin
Why would we need a mirror list? Is the idea here that each Candlepin would be an OCSP responder, hence needing a mirror list? or is there something else?
to avoid a single point of failure. If the responder is on 2 machines, then pulp/thubslug would need to look at both.
Custom Wire Protocol
Same model as OCSP, but custom protocol.
Pros: (1) Should be easier to implement than OCSP (2) Should resolve the cross machine issues
Cons: (1) Same as OCSP
Comments from folks?
What is this 'custom wire protocol' or is it truly custom in the sense that we can make it up? :D
Yeah.. quick/dirty/custom
-- bk
Any comments from the pulp or thumbslug folks?
-- bk
On 07/20/2011 12:30 PM, Bryan Kearney wrote:
Cross posting to pulp and candlepin lists. I apologize in advance.
I am looking at how candlepin needs to communicate certificate revocation. The two main consumers I know of for this data are pulp (as part of katello) and thumbslug. In both cases, pulp and thumbslug are emitting a CDN interface and need to verify if a certificate presented to them are accurate.
There are three main options that I have seen. Basic pros and cons below. I am looking for feedback from both camps as which they would prefer. I would like to agree on one model to limit testing issues.
Certificate Revocation Lists (CRL)
Candlepin generates CRLs which are read by Pulp/Thumbslug. Files are regenerated every X hours and need to be refreshed.
Pros: (1) Candlepin does this already! (2) Standards compliant
Cons: (1)As the tools are horzontally scaled, we need to design out how (1.1) Handle candlepin is on many machines (1.2) Handle when pulp/thumbslug is on different machines from candlepin
Online Certificate Status Protocol (OCSP)
An OCSP responder exists which can return a yes/no for certificates.
Pros: (1) Standards Compliant (2) Should solve the cross machine issues
Cons: (1) More work for Candlepin (2) May need to implementing a "mirror list" type solution for finding candlepin
Custom Wire Protocol
Same model as OCSP, but custom protocol.
Pros: (1) Should be easier to implement than OCSP (2) Should resolve the cross machine issues
Cons: (1) Same as OCSP
Comments from folks?
-- bk
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