cloud January 2010

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Status of EC2 AMIs for Fedora 12 and beyond?
by John Poelstra 03 Feb '10

03 Feb '10

Greetings, I sat in on a session at FUDCon where there was discussion about getting the AMIs updated to Fedora 12. Are we tracking those steps and their status on the wiki anywhere? Can I help with that process? I'm also curious if we have done any work to map out what needs to happen and when (a schedule) for Fedora 13 in terms of having Fedora 13 AMIs ready on release day? If there is not a schedule I'd be glad to help map one out and I'm guessing we need to start on this ASAP? Who is working on the different pieces right now? John

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Eucalyptus
by graziano obertelli 02 Feb '10

02 Feb '10

Hello, I'm part of the Eucalyptus team: we would love to see Eucalyptus in Fedora Core. What can we do to help? We do already provide RPMs, albeit not for Fedora Core yet, which I'm sure are not ready to be included in any distribution, and we know of some of our users already using Eucalyptus in Fedora Core. Do you think Eucalyptus will fit in your cloud initiative? cheers, graziano -- Graziano Obertelli Eucalyptus Systems, Inc. 130 Castilian St. Goleta, CA 93117 Phone: 805-570-1647 www.eucalyptus.com

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hi all!
by Matthew Miller 29 Jan '10

29 Jan '10

Very interested to see this project. I've struggled to keep involved with Fedora in my new job, and this has a nice convergence with the things we're working on internally. Some things we're working with include Eucalyptus (an EC2 clone of sorts, for running a local cloud infrastructure), and Turnkey Linux (Ubuntu based pre-configured appliances). The Turnkey images are particularly slick on EC2 -- all set up to work with persistent storage in EBS. -- Matthew Miller mattdm(a)mattdm.org <http://mattdm.org/>

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ec2-ami-basics
by Oliver Falk 29 Jan '10

29 Jan '10

Hi! First of all: Cloud SIG - great idea! Second: I don't think I need to introduce myself to much, do I? :-) In case someone needs more than this: -> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OliverFalk And now... Right to the topic... I haven't seen anyone discussion about the ec2-ami-basics package yet. I'm not sure how many of you even know about it's existence!? I've already tried to find the SRPM, however it seems Amazone doesn't publish 'em. So I have to points: 1) Has someone contact to the Amazon people and can we ask them to provide us with the SRPM!? 2) I think it would be a good idea to create a package within our build system (aka koji), don't you think? If we do package it ourself - we should find a common version control system for the source for both Amazon and us, right!? Also a point that we should be discussing with Amazon. I could be the one who submits the package review request and - of course - package it :-) BR, -of

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LWN article.
by Stephen John Smoogen 28 Jan '10

28 Jan '10

The Cloud SIG got an article on LWN, and I realized hey.. I haven't posted anything yet. Its on their pay for weekly so I don't want to create a 'free' link as I think its something to be paid for. So what can I do to help? I haven't used EC2 at all but know a lot about old-school provisioning. -- Stephen J Smoogen. Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what's a heaven for? -- Robert Browning

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"What would you say ya *do* here?"
by Greg DeKoenigsberg 22 Jan '10

22 Jan '10

As has been pointed out, "cloud" is a very large topic. Which means that, IMO, there are two directions we can go on this list that are not mutually exclusive: long-winded, bloviating discussions about what we *could* do, and detailed plans for what we *will* do. Let's focus on the second for now, since the first is going to happen anyways. There are many potential cloud goals that we could be tackling, but I believe that a lot of people would agree with this proposed initial goal: LET'S CREATE FEDORA EC2 IMAGES THAT DON'T SUCK. :) Right now we face a dilemma: * The latest Fedora kernel available on Amazon EC2 is Fedora 8; * Various people are creating "Fedora images" based on that AKI; * Confusion results, e.g.: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/448794/how-does-an-amazon-ec2-instance-s… * Which (a) doesn't work and (b) gives Fedora a bad name in the process. We have an opportunity to fix this. Justin Forbes has been working with some folks at Amazon to make this better, and it looks like we'll have an "official" account that will allow us to do something clever, like put a Gold Star next to "official" Fedora EC2 images. Once we actually get them up and running, of course. Which, painted in broad strokes, maybe looks something like this: 1. Getting a basic image uploaded and working for anybody (Justin is on this, but maybe could use some help?); 2. Getting a basic image uploaded and working for everybody (which means coordinating a testing account for Fedora people to use free-of-charge, which we have funding for, and then finding actual people to test); 3. Getting that basic image created as part of the Fedora release process (which was discussed at FUDCon, but I don't know if any of those conversations continued); 4. Providing proper tools for people to create their own images, since creation of a custom "spin" is basically an essential activity in the cloud. It may be that some of this activity is going on already, and that's a large part of what this SIG is about: to find those people and get them talking in one place, away from the clutter of fedora-devel and other lists. So if you're working on tools that will help with this goal, by all means, speak up. And now, a couple of questions. * For Justin. How's your current image looking? Does it work well enough for other folks to try it out? If not, what's the issue, and can anyone help? * For everyone. Have you played with EC2 yet? If not, do you have a side project that could benefit from its use, that furthers the goals of Fedora / free software / etc., and are willing to test our images? If so, let us know -- we've got an account for this purpose, and can send you the info needed to get started. Even if we don't have the latest Fedora up yet, there are plenty of images that you can play with to get a sense of how EC2 works. * For everyone. Would an IRC meeting to talk through some of this stuff be useful -- sort of a kickoff where everyone takes an hour out of their life to think about all this -- or should we stick to the mailing list for now? --g -- Computer Science professors should be teaching open source. Help make it happen. Visit http://teachingopensource.org.

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EC2 kernel status...
by Justin Forbes 21 Jan '10

21 Jan '10

I have run into a couple of issues with the 2.6.31 kernels we are currently shipping with F12, and I am testing the 2.6.32 tree now. The 2.6.32 kernels will be pushed to F12 any day now, so it is just a matter of grabbing the official image and pushing to Amazon once they are released to updates. -- Justin M. Forbes

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Cloud: Technology or Operations Model?
by Mike McGrath 21 Jan '10

21 Jan '10

I'll start this thread. I'm firmly in the "a cloud is an operations model" camp. It's important because when people say "I want a cloud" and we say "You want ovirt" or "you want eucalyptus." I think that's wrong. -Mike

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Re: Cloud: Technology or Operations Model?
by Xavier Lamien 20 Jan '10

20 Jan '10

Definitively yes! Technologies is for marketing stuff. On Jan 20, 2010 9:54 PM, "Mike McGrath" <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote: I'll start this thread. I'm firmly in the "a cloud is an operations model" camp. It's important because when people say "I want a cloud" and we say "You want ovirt" or "you want eucalyptus." I think that's wrong. -Mike _______________________________________________ cloud mailing list cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud

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RE: "What would you say ya *do* here?"
by Peter Robinson 20 Jan '10

20 Jan '10

Hi Greg, > As has been pointed out, "cloud" is a very large topic. Which means that, > IMO, there are two directions we can go on this list that are not mutually > exclusive: long-winded, bloviating discussions about what we *could* do, > and detailed plans for what we *will* do. > > Let's focus on the second for now, since the first is going to happen > anyways. Agreed on this, everyone's definition of clouds are different so lets focus on what's easy now. > There are many potential cloud goals that we could be tackling, but I > believe that a lot of people would agree with this proposed initial goal: > > LET'S CREATE FEDORA EC2 IMAGES THAT DON'T SUCK. > > :) > > Right now we face a dilemma: > > * The latest Fedora kernel available on Amazon EC2 is Fedora 8; > * Various people are creating "Fedora images" based on that AKI; > * Confusion results, e.g.: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/448794/how-does-an-amazon-ec2-instance-s… > * Which (a) doesn't work and (b) gives Fedora a bad name in the process. > > We have an opportunity to fix this. Justin Forbes has been working with > some folks at Amazon to make this better, and it looks like we'll have an > "official" account that will allow us to do something clever, like put a > Gold Star next to "official" Fedora EC2 images. > > Once we actually get them up and running, of course. Which, painted in > broad strokes, maybe looks something like this: > > 1. Getting a basic image uploaded and working for anybody (Justin is on > this, but maybe could use some help?); > > 2. Getting a basic image uploaded and working for everybody (which means > coordinating a testing account for Fedora people to use free-of-charge, > which we have funding for, and then finding actual people to test); > > 3. Getting that basic image created as part of the Fedora release process > (which was discussed at FUDCon, but I don't know if any of those > conversations continued); > > 4. Providing proper tools for people to create their own images, since > creation of a custom "spin" is basically an essential activity in the > cloud. I'm happy to help out where I can on all of the above. From the discussion @ FUDCon I'd add two points to this 5. A fedora mirror within EC2 so people don't have to pay for updates etc. This allows us to provide a very small base image and people can just do "yum groupinstall some-service" to get what they want. 6. The tools and API etc (if they aren't already) for the redhat deltacloud stuff. > It may be that some of this activity is going on already, and that's a > large part of what this SIG is about: to find those people and get them > talking in one place, away from the clutter of fedora-devel and other > lists. So if you're working on tools that will help with this goal, by > all means, speak up. I've not heard a whisper since the FUDCon discussion and was wondering what the status of it was. > And now, a couple of questions. > > * For Justin. How's your current image looking? Does it work well enough > for other folks to try it out? If not, what's the issue, and can anyone > help? > > * For everyone. Have you played with EC2 yet? If not, do you have a > side project that could benefit from its use, that furthers the goals of > Fedora / free software / etc., and are willing to test our images? If so, > let us know -- we've got an account for this purpose, and can send you the > info needed to get started. Even if we don't have the latest Fedora up > yet, there are plenty of images that you can play with to get a sense of > how EC2 works. Briefly, not as much as I would have liked but its on my ToDo list. The details to get started would be great, I've got 2 weeks spare in Feb where I should be able to get a good look at this. > * For everyone. Would an IRC meeting to talk through some of this stuff > be useful -- sort of a kickoff where everyone takes an hour out of their > life to think about all this -- or should we stick to the mailing list for > now? I'd prefer mailing list discussion where possible. I find it notoriously hard to make it to IRC meetings due to other schedules and timezones. With list discussion it makes that easier. Cheers, Peter

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