cloud February 2014

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Cloud SIG grou Todo list
by Matthew Miller 26 Feb '14

26 Feb '14

People keep asking me what they can do to help. This is awesome, but I feel like sometimes my answers are too wide open. Plus, I think we could benefit from some more overall planning anyway. I threw this together... about 5 minutes of effort total so far. I will expand further, but really I don't want this to be _my_ list... it should be _our_ list (Cloud WG members and the whole cloud SIG) -- basically, the things that we want or need to get done. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_ToDo Possibly it would be useful to separate ongoing work from one-time work, and prioritize a bit. But initially, I wanted to just start getting things on (virtual) paper. Feel free to pitch in! What's there right now is literally what I thought of off the top of my head to kind of get started. We should systematically go through the PRD and generate work areas and work items. And possibly, get people's names attached to some of them. :) -- Matthew Miller -- Fedora Project -- <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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Reminder + Topics for Wednesday's (26 February 2014) Cloud WG Meeting
by Joe Brockmeier 26 Feb '14

26 Feb '14

Hi all, A bit late on the reminder for tomorrow's meeting, but y'all have this in whatever calendar app that you use anyway - right? Of course. As usual, we'll meet in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode.net. Meeting time: 17:00 UTC To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2013-12-11 17:00 UTC' == Topics == * Status on Cloud To-Do list (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_ToDo) * Discussion on what cloud images should be & contain? * Deadlines on tech specs: Rumor has it, FESCo expects tech specs/docs by March 3rd * New business Best, jzb -- Joe Brockmeier | Principal Cloud & Storage Analyst jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/ Twitter: @jzb | http://dissociatedpress.net/

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Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification
by Matthew Miller 26 Feb '14

26 Feb '14

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 02:59:00PM +0000, Colin Walters wrote: > >Yeah, agreed here. Everyone wants the latest shiniest thing, even if > >that thing isn't ready. I really don't want to wade through tons of > >bug reports for btrfs just because it has a lot of hype. > Also, right now cloud is plain old ext4. Let's see if we can ship > *all* of the filesystems! It'll be fun! Cloud could switch to XFS along with server. The main problem is that it'd make us revisit booting -- either 1) some work into lightening up grub2, 2) testing and possibly enhancing syslinux's xfs support, or 3) a separate /boot with a different filesystem. I don't really love any of those options. -- Matthew Miller -- Fedora Project -- <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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Can someone else chair meetings for a while?
by Sam Kottler 25 Feb '14

25 Feb '14

Hi, I'm going to be based in Bhutan for the next ~5 months, which is UTC+6. Given that we have our meetings at 17:00 UTC, that's going to make the meetings pretty late at night for me. The process is pretty simple: 1. Gather info over the course of the week between meetings from IRC, lists, etc. and then put together an agenda 2. Send out the agenda the day before the meeting with a reminder of the time & location 3. Start & run the meeting with meetbot [1] at the designated time 4. Send the meeting minutes from meetbot out to the list after the meeting has ended 5. Repeat each week :-) Any takers? -s 1. https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Minutes from yesterday's (2/20/2014) meeting
by Sam Kottler 20 Feb '14

20 Feb '14

In case you missed yesterday's meeting, here are the minutes and logs: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-02-19/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-02-19/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-02-19/fedora-meeting… Log (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-02-19/fedora-meeting… ========================================== #fedora-meeting-1: cloud WG weekly meeting ========================================== Meeting started by samkottler at 17:00:56 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2014-02-19/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * start assigning tasks from the PRD (samkottler, 17:04:41) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_ToDo (mattdm, 17:05:27) * gigantic todo list for all things cloud https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_ToDo (mattdm, 17:05:37) * ACTION: jzb to take lead on marketing stuff (mattdm, 17:11:13) * ACTION: samkottler to take on driving the discussions around what the images should be and what they should each contain (samkottler, 17:11:55) * status on different stuff going on around docker (samkottler, 17:19:03) * it'd be great if someone wants to take up packaging for https://github.com/coreos/fleet (samkottler, 17:24:31) * 'cloud kernel' update (samkottler, 17:27:21) * open floor (samkottler, 17:30:40) Meeting ended at 17:32:12 UTC. Action Items ------------ * jzb to take lead on marketing stuff * samkottler to take on driving the discussions around what the images should be and what they should each contain Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jzb * jzb to take lead on marketing stuff * samkottler * samkottler to take on driving the discussions around what the images should be and what they should each contain * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * mattdm (37) * samkottler (36) * jzb (10) * number80 (6) * zodbot (5) * geppetto (4) * roshi (1) * rbergeron (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 17:00:56 <samkottler> #startmeeting cloud WG weekly meeting 17:00:56 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Feb 19 17:00:56 2014 UTC. The chair is samkottler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:56 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:17 <samkottler> #chair geppetto mattdm rbergeron number80 17:01:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto mattdm number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:01:27 <jzb> samkottler: here 17:01:31 <samkottler> #chair jzb 17:01:31 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto jzb mattdm number80 rbergeron samkottler 17:01:44 <samkottler> who's around? 17:01:50 <number80> not here for long 17:02:06 <number80> (i bought a flat and i'm still moving all my junk) 17:02:20 <samkottler> mattdm: rbergeron: you around? 17:02:31 <jzb> number80: a flat what? 17:02:39 <mattdm> hi! 17:03:18 <number80> jzb: an appartment 17:03:42 <mattdm> i think that was an attempt at humor. 17:03:51 <geppetto> :) 17:03:59 <samkottler> yay, quorum! 17:04:26 <jzb> mattdm: yes. Thanks for recognizing. 17:04:41 <samkottler> #topic start assigning tasks from the PRD 17:04:57 <samkottler> mattdm: didn't you have a document related to this? 17:05:01 <number80> jzb: i wasn't sure, since it was a british word :) 17:05:07 <number80> but it's a good one ;) 17:05:20 <mattdm> samkottler yes, sort of :) 17:05:27 <mattdm> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_ToDo 17:05:37 <mattdm> #info gigantic todo list for all things cloud https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_ToDo 17:05:57 <mattdm> then, there is *specifically* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_Changelist 17:06:06 <mattdm> but that needs work. 17:06:30 <mattdm> thanks to sandro for starting it 17:06:49 <mattdm> there is supposed to be a statement coming from fesco clarifying what fesco is looking for next 17:07:54 * mattdm has apparently overwhelmed the channel 17:08:44 <samkottler> mattdm: do you think we should sit on our hands until fesco speaks? 17:08:45 <number80> i have to go but note that i'm interested in images maintenance 17:08:59 <samkottler> see ya later number80 17:09:00 <mattdm> samkottler no, I think we don't need to sit 17:09:27 <mattdm> the basic part is: what significant changes do we need 17:09:46 <mattdm> and i think the main thing is: production of a number of different images 17:09:49 <samkottler> a huge amount of the stuff on the list seems to be rel-eng related 17:09:54 <mattdm> automatic production of those images so we can test them 17:10:24 <mattdm> and ideally the monthly updates, plus possible non-scheduled security updates 17:10:58 <jzb> mattdm: I'll take lead on the marketing stuff. 17:11:02 <mattdm> basically i think the brainstorming page is good and we just need to start formatting it 17:11:13 * samkottler is willing to take on driving the discussions around what the images should be and what they should each contain 17:11:13 <mattdm> #action jzb to take lead on marketing stuff 17:11:30 <mattdm> +1 sam 17:11:36 <roshi> jzb - I can help with that 17:11:42 <samkottler> #action samkottlerto take on driving the discussions around what the images should be and what they should each contain 17:11:47 <samkottler> #undo 17:11:47 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by samkottler at 17:11:42 : samkottlerto take on driving the discussions around what the images should be and what they should each contain 17:11:55 <samkottler> #action samkottler to take on driving the discussions around what the images should be and what they should each contain 17:12:26 <samkottler> frankie hasn't been around in a while, but he might be interested in working on the koji stuff 17:13:14 <mattdm> I can work on polishing up the changes list 17:13:22 <mattdm> other help doing that welcome 17:13:41 <jzb> question on the branding stuff, though 17:14:03 <jzb> how much of that is coming from Mo's group and how much is from us? 17:14:24 <jzb> what with the questionnaire we filled out and all... 17:14:55 <mattdm> jzb I hope that it works by someone from our group working with design group 17:15:21 <mattdm> possibly/ideally with an overlapping member, but if not, someone willing to act as an overlap 17:15:37 <mattdm> kind of like the fesco liaison 17:15:44 <jzb> k 17:17:23 <samkottler> okay cool so it sounds like most people have stuff they're working on 17:18:01 * mattdm nods 17:19:03 <samkottler> #topic status on different stuff going on around docker 17:19:25 <samkottler> mattdm: anything we should be expecting in the new few weeks? 17:19:42 <samkottler> next few weeks, even 17:19:56 <mattdm> the koji update should happen soon, which should include support for generating docker images 17:20:10 <mattdm> so we can therefore start kicking off the process of making those official 17:20:35 <mattdm> i'll ping koji upstream about it again if that doesn't happen magically by itself in a week or so :) 17:21:03 <mattdm> in related other news, if anyone is interested in packaging up coreos's new 'fleet' thing for fedora, that'd be cool 17:21:48 <geppetto> a distributed init system? 17:22:07 <samkottler> it's pretty interesting 17:22:10 <samkottler> slash terrifying 17:22:19 <geppetto> :) 17:22:24 <jzb> samkottler: if innovation isn't scary, is it really innovation? 17:22:38 <mattdm> it's kind of like condor. but all dockery. 17:22:39 <samkottler> jzb: indeed 17:22:47 <geppetto> it implies it needs etcd 17:22:58 <samkottler> we really need something like that - the coreos folks are doing awesome work 17:23:09 <samkottler> geppetto: yeah, etcd does the consensus bit 17:23:52 <mattdm> we have etcd 17:24:01 <mattdm> at least packaged up. it's not *doing* anything 17:24:31 <samkottler> #info it'd be great if someone wants to take up packaging for https://github.com/coreos/fleet 17:25:17 <mattdm> I think that once we get the basic stuff we are targetting for f21 done (eg the stuff we have planned out so far), figuring out this next level will be really important 17:26:36 <samkottler> yep. the fact that we already have systemd well-integrated and such puts us into a unique position to work with coreos folks, too 17:26:56 * mattdm nods 17:27:21 <samkottler> #topic 'cloud kernel' update 17:27:34 <mattdm> we sent some mail to jwb 17:27:38 <mattdm> needs more figuring out 17:27:43 <mattdm> that's the basic status 17:27:45 <samkottler> we've been thinking about a minimal kernel for a while and are finally kind of working on it 17:28:39 <samkottler> jwb is working on making the kernel spec more modular 17:29:44 <samkottler> zooz isn't here so I don't think we can cover the work that's been happening around GCE in today's meeting 17:29:50 * samkottler will try to make sure zooz is around next week 17:30:40 <samkottler> #topic open floor 17:30:59 <samkottler> anyone got anything? 17:31:32 <mattdm> not anything other than all of the previous :) 17:31:44 <jzb> samkottler: not this week. 17:32:10 <samkottler> cool, well talk to you all next week! 17:32:12 <samkottler> #endmeeting

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min-metadata-service 2014.2
by Colin Walters 18 Feb '14

18 Feb '14

Hi, https://github.com/cgwalters/min-metadata-service is a new project of mine which might be of interest to a potential few people here in the cloud space that are building smaller operating systems - small enough to not include Python (or other scripting languages). I just released 2014.2, and it successfully provisions SSH keys from OpenStack.

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Reminder + agenda for tomorrow's (2/19/2014) WG meeting
by Sam Kottler 18 Feb '14

18 Feb '14

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the cloud WG meeting Wednesday at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-2-19 17:00 UTC' This week's meeting has the same agenda as last week's since it didn't happen due to the lack of quorum, except I've added an item to go over the plans for the kernel in the cloud images. = New business = * Figure out who wants to start working on each (or at least some) of the items from the PRD * Status update on different bits of work happening docker (is this something people are interested in for the meeting?) * Update on happenings around the kernel for the cloud images = Followups = * GCE image status update If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/cloud, or bring it up at the end of the meeting during the open floor. -Sam

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Rescheduling yesterday's meeting
by Sam Kottler 14 Feb '14

14 Feb '14

Hey folks, We only had four people at the meeting yesterday so we agreed to try to reschedule it for later this week. I've setup a whenisgood for tomorrow [1], but if we can't agree on a time then we can just do what would have been meeting business on the list. There are some fairly pressing things that we need to work on, though, so a real-time meeting would be ideal. Thanks! -S 1. http://whenisgood.net/77efdqg

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Redacted our PRD a tiny bit
by Sandro "red" Mathys 14 Feb '14

14 Feb '14

FYI, I redacted the PRD a tiny bit in the past 24h - mostly because I needed to read the whole thing anyway (catching up on things I missed in the past two months due to my ongoing Tokyo adventure). So there were some typos or duplicate words, etc. that I fixed. I also felt urged to replace Amazon by AWS at least once so as to not confuse people and add one or two links. Last but not least, I added the FESCo approval date to the history. Hope you don't mind any of those (IMHO very minor) changes. Otherwise, please feel free to undo them (or tell me to do so). Here's the full diff: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Cloud_PRD&diff=369895&oldid=369… Cheers, Sandro PS. Great job everyone, that document is amazing work done. And apologies I totally missed the chance to participate in its writing.

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hey y'all -- time to hack on our list of deliverables
by Matthew Miller 14 Feb '14

14 Feb '14

Basically, we need the "second deliverable" from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora.next/boardproposal#Product_Working_Gr… ... a list of necessary changes from existing Fedora procedures needed to release the product. This should be ordered to show what things depend on other changes and at which point the changes will mean that we can no longer produce the current type of Fedora. This will allow us to identify the resources needed by what teams in order to implement the plan and at what point we may need to have a longer than normal release cycle to do tooling work. Here's the item on the big cloud todo list: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud/Cloud_ToDo#Fedora.next_changes_list Follow that to the (not yet created) Cloud Changelist page. Sam (or anyone), if you want to throw up an etherpad for hacking on it, that'd be good. -- Matthew Miller -- Fedora Project -- <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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