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default fonts in Firefox for Fedora look very bad
by Marius Andreiana 12 Nov '09

12 Nov '09

Hi, Could anyone with graphic design experience offer more details on this bug? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=523487 Google confirms it's not just my impression. Thanks, -- Marius Andreiana

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Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35
by Hristo Petkov 02 Nov '09

02 Nov '09

Hi all, Excuse me - just to ask: What is the idea of polishing F12 while F10 and F11 have fairly low reliability (in working with OpenOffice for example). Today I tried to do some a little bit more complex operations with OpenOffice Writer under F11 and 'went in the Dimension-X'. Regards, Christo Petkov --- On Fri, 10/30/09, fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com <fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com> wrote: From: fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com <fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com> Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 68, Issue 35 To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 4:00 PM Send Fedora-desktop-list mailing list submissions to fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-desktop-list-owner(a)redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fedora-desktop-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Adam Williamson) 2. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Matthias Clasen) 3. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Adam Williamson) 4. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (Matthias Clasen) 5. Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] (James Laska) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:09:14 -0700 From: Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> Subject: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Message-ID: <1256846954.2314.66.camel(a)adam.local.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Christopher Beland <beland(a)alum.mit.edu> Subject: F12 icon completeness issues Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:52:47 -0400 Size: 6029 Url: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/attachments/20091029/3e… ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:44:13 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <1256849053.1785.10.camel@planemask> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 13:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list... I don't think there is much to discuss, though. Yes, the missing abrt icon is a problem. But the fact that not every item in Places and System has an icon was our design decision, and is not a bug in any way. I don't see how those 'missing' icons could even theoretically be considered a release blocker. They don't cause a problem in any way. Matthias ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:01:30 -0700 From: Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <1256850090.2314.75.camel(a)adam.local.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 16:44 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 13:09 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list... > > I don't think there is much to discuss, though. > > Yes, the missing abrt icon is a problem. But the fact that not every > item in Places and System has an icon was our design decision, and is > not a bug in any way. > > I don't see how those 'missing' icons could even theoretically be > considered a release blocker. They don't cause a problem in any way. I dunno, I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my question was more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it. Though looking at it again, it's a 'should' not a 'must' issue. Which by my understanding means it's not intended to actually be a blocker (only things on the release criteria page with the keyword 'must' indicate things we'd block for). -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:37:03 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <1256902623.1832.5.camel@planemask> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 14:01 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > I dunno, I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have > some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my question was > more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this > is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it. I was not involved in the creation of these criteria. It is obviously a bit unfortunate if design decisions like the one to drop some icons from the menus are not reflected in them. As long as everybody is reasonable about this, it is not a big problem. Matthias ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:42:32 -0400 From: James Laska <jlaska(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues] To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <1256913752.2370.131.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 07:37 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 14:01 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > I dunno, I didn't write those criteria. I guess the idea was to have > > some kind of standard for final desktop polish. I guess my question was > > more or less what you answered above - whether this list knows why this > > is in the release criteria, and whether you'd agree with it. > > I was not involved in the creation of these criteria. It is obviously a > bit unfortunate if design decisions like the one to drop some icons from > the menus are not reflected in them. We'll be looking to refresh the release criteria in the near future. I'm not sure exactly when we'll kick that off, but we'll be sure to solicit feedback from all groups. Thanks, James -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[Fwd: F12 icon completeness issues]
by Adam Williamson 30 Oct '09

30 Oct '09

this seems an appropriate topic for desktop-list... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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nautilus-python is broken?
by Debarshi Ray 29 Oct '09

29 Oct '09

PackageDB shows nautilus-python as orphaned and I found that some of the packages with extensions written in Python (eg., Postr) are not having their UIs displayed in Nautilus. So are these bindings obsoleted or broken? Cheers, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig

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XCF Pixbuf Loader
by Debarshi Ray 29 Oct '09

29 Oct '09

http://blog.reblochon.org/2009/03/gift-to-competition.html Is it a good idea to package it? Or has it been intentionally been kept out due to other plans? Cheers, Debarshi -- One reason that life is complex is that it has a real part and an imaginary part. -- Andrew Koenig

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Gedit toolbar in rawhide
by Ani Peter 29 Oct '09

29 Oct '09

Hi, During Fedora QA I came across the latest gedit - gedit-2.28.0-1.fc12.i686. Unlike the earlier version - gedit 2.26.3-1.fc11.i586 in F11, in the latest gedit toolbar, except for "Open", "Save" and "Undo", all other options have only icons and no text. Appreciate if someone could confirm about these changes. I have attached the screenshots for the same: Gedit in English for F11 with toolbar containing all icons and text - [1] Gedit in English for rawhide with toolbar containing icons and text only for "Open", "Save" and "Undo"- [2] Gedit in Malayalam (ml_IN) for rawhide with toolbar containing icons and text only for "Open", "Save" and "Undo" - [3] Please excuse me if the discussion on this topic is done already. Thanking you Best regards Ani Peter [1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/44170901@N08/4055343234/ [2] http://www.flickr.com/photos/44170901@N08/4055343170/ [3] http://www.flickr.com/photos/44170901@N08/4054601915/

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Some blurriness in gnome desktop
by Martin Sourada 28 Oct '09

28 Oct '09

Hi all, I've been pondering this for a while, but there has been an increasing amount of blurriness in desktop UI elements that haven't been (most likely) designed by or even consulted with the gnome-art team (or fedora design team). Some examples include (the top part of each picture is screenshot, the bottom part is analogue done in inkscape to look crisp; ignore the coloring, it's not important in these images): * sound preferences [1] * volume control with compositing [2] * new tooltips [3] It does not seem that the blurriness is intentional, so I though I'd point it out. The problem is that if you're drawing fills you need to start at integer x,y values for position; when drawing borders, they need to be shifted by exactly half of their width (i.e. 0.5 px for 1px wide borders) to look crisp. We are not working with very high DPI display devices so this is important. I think fixing these would nicely fit with your "polishes for F12" project. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gnome-blurry/sound-preferences.png [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gnome-blurry/sound-volume.png [3] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gnome-blurry/tooltips.png

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Tomorrows polish
by Matthias Clasen 28 Oct '09

28 Oct '09

To follow Owens suggestion, here are screenshots of my current polish items: Folder icons for xdg folders in the file chooser: http://mclasen.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/xdg-folders-filechooser.png and in nautilus: http://mclasen.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/xdg-folders-nautilus.png New tooltips look: http://mclasen.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/gedit-tooltip.png Matthias

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Transparency on the new tooltips not working in Firefox?
by Adam Williamson 28 Oct '09

28 Oct '09

I haven't rebooted yet, but I've noticed the new tooltips are showing up in newly-launched apps for me. Oddly, I can see the transparency in Rhythmbox - I can partially see through the tooltip to rest of the Rhythmbox interface 'below' - but not Firefox. The tooltips in Firefox appear completely opaque. Just thought it was an oddity worth mentioning. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Alacarte is not installed by default
by Rahul Sundaram 27 Oct '09

27 Oct '09

Hi, http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/comps/comps-f12.xml.in?view=markup It's listed as a optional package in comps. Shouldn't it be default? Rahul

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