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poppler-data reviewed, built for rawhide
by Rex Dieter 12 Aug '09

12 Aug '09

fyi, poppler-data review finished, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=507675 and built for rawhide, http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1576318 I suppose we could add a dep for it to poppler now (like how it was bundled with poppler pkgs in previous releases)... or not, it's optional after all. Alternatively, since it helps certain only certain locales/encodings, could add it to the appropriate CJK and Cyrillic related lang-support groups in comps. thoughts? -- Rex

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Reminder: fit and finish test day tomorrow
by Matthias Clasen 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

Just a quick reminder: We are meeting tomorrow in #fedora-fit-and-finish on freenode to test how well F12 works with phones, music players, cameras, usb sticks and other things you care to plug into your computer. See http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-04_Fit_and_Finish:Periph… Live cds are available on that page now. See you tomorrow, Matthias

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RE: The Live CD
by Hristo Petkov 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

Hi all, The live CD is O.K. as it is. A flash movie with instructions my be added to the Cover Page of Fedora Project, which is opened by the web browser upon starting. A hyperlink to the movie is enough. The browser will 'blackmail' the user to install the flash player and after that the user will be able to watch the movie. A classification of the users may be done as well. If you are Intel Centrino Duo Mobile Laptop watch this ... If you are 8 processor workstation watch this ... If you are Desktop PC watch this ... and so on. The problem is if the user instead of going to the web browser goes to the system terminal or to the package installer, but in that case he most probably will not need to watch the movie with instructions I suppose. The Live CD will remain at the present state as it is, without any change. Best regards Hristo Petkov

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FedoraStudio: the final step
by Orcan Ogetbil 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

Hello everyone, (If you don't own a multimedia package you can skip this thread) This is a call for help for adjusting the .desktop files of your multimedia applications according to the new FedoraStudio feature [1]. For those who missed the news, with F-12 we will have an optional multimedia-menus package that will subcategorize the Sound&Video menu in Gnome (Multimedia menu in KDE). This package is currently geared towards multimedia creation folks, however this target audience may be expanded in the future to meet the demand. To place the applications in the proper category, the .desktop files need to have proper categories listed. Since I am a (co)maintainer of most audio creation packages in Fedora, I have finished most of the required work. However there are a few packages left that need to be addressed. So please follow the link [2] and check if your multimedia package meets the criteria for any of the submenus we will have. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact me. I will do a final check around September 8th, about two weeks before the beta freeze and fix the remaining .desktop files. Also let me know if you don't want your package to be touched. Thanks for your time! Orcan PS: Adjusting your .desktop file with this specification will not change the experience of anyone who doesn't have the multimedia-menus package installed. Your application will be still in the Sound&Video/Multimedia desktop menu as long as you have "AudioVideo" listed as a category in your .desktop file. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraStudio [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraStudio#Outline

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Re: Packages loaded into Fedora by default
by Paul W. Frields 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 11:30:18AM -0400, Paul Frields wrote: > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Eric > Christensen<eric(a)christensenplace.us> wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 14:41 -0400, Paul Frields wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Ian Weller<ian(a)ianweller.org> wrote: > >> > On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 03:15:00PM -0400, Eric Christensen wrote: > >> >> How do we ask for certain document guides to be loaded into the system > >> >> by default and do we have any guides that need to be in the default > >> >> install? > >> >> > >> > I believe that's called "comps". > >> > http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/comps/ > >> > > >> > I'm not really sure about the process of adding a package to comps. Best > >> > way to find out, I think, would be to nab someone from FESCo. ;) > >> > >> Which docs do you want loaded automatically? I ask because if we're > >> thinking of loading something like release notes, then we should > >> probably obsolete and retire the fedora-release-notes package for > >> F-12. > >> > >> Paul > >> > > > > Hadn't really considered loading anything automatically. Someone asked > > me a few months back and I had written the question in my notes but > > couldn't remember getting the answer. > > > > Yeah, we need to get the Release Notes stuff straightened out. > > Here by "automatically" I meant "by default," so I'm asking about the > same docs you're talking about . ;-) Sorry for the confusion. Which > packages, in other words, are you considering adding to comps? Also, I wanted to point out that if you want to retire fedora-release-notes, the sooner the better, especially since the Desktop SIG has to consider eliminating things from the Live spin each release due to space constraints. The fedora-release-notes package is fairly sizable IIRC, and this time around The GIMP is on the chopping block. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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Adding system-wide icons to the desktop?
by Axel Thimm 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

Hi, is there a way to add some more icons to the users' desktop? I once tried sabayon (end of 2008?) but it was not working at that time and in general I prefer not to overwrite user folders/files at each login. I'd prefer a solution like some entry under /etc/gconf. Thanks! -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

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Re: Fedora-desktop-list
by Hristo Petkov 09 Aug '09

09 Aug '09

Hi all, In my view it doesn't matter what exactly is on the live CD - a kernel with a Desktop GUI and Internet browser and connection are more than enough. The most important think is how the user is going to proceed after installing Linux. After installing the live CD on the harddisk the user shall get knowing somehow that the first thing to do next is neither AbyWord nor GIMP, nor Movie Player but rather to place properly ALL of its computer hardware. Everything needing a plugin of any third parties, not supported by Open Source should be installed and the contradictions with SELinux resolved ad hoc. Some of the things on the live CD may be omitted to release a space of 100-150 kb to place there a video with instructions and presentation how to proceed further. As far as GIMP is concerned, the GIMP itself may be reduced on the live CD to a basic GUI and some basic image processing. People who intent to use GIMP may install whatever they like in addition. Regards --- On Sat, 8/8/09, fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com <fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com> wrote: From: fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com <fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com> Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 11 To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 4:00 PM Send Fedora-desktop-list mailing list submissions to fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-desktop-list-owner(a)redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fedora-desktop-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9 (Jesse Keating) 2. Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals (Matthias Clasen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:00:20 -0700 From: Jesse Keating <jkeating(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9 To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Message-ID: <1249660820.3759.113.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 04:29 -0700, Hristo Petkov wrote: > There are a lot of other things that can be dropped. If you're going to make statements like that, you're going to have to provide a patch or a list of those "other things" that can be dropped that will match the space savings of dropping gimp. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/attachments/20090807/8b… ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:53:02 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com> Subject: Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals To: fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com, Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com>, Development discussions related to Fedora Core <fedora-devel-list(a)redhat.com> Cc: davidz(a)redhat.com Message-ID: <1249663982.2242.7.camel@planemask> Content-Type: text/plain Hi all, time for another 'Fit and Finish' test day. This time, we want to look at issues and use cases surrounding anything you can plug into your computer, be it a camera, a phone, a usb stick, or whatever gizmos you have at home... Join us in #fedora-fit-and-finish on Freenode, on Aug 11 (next Tuesday). For more information about this test day, see http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-04_Fit_and_Finish:Periph… For more information about 'Fit and Finish', see http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish Matthias ------------------------------ -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list End of Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 11 ***************************************************

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Fit and Finish, round three: peripherals
by Matthias Clasen 07 Aug '09

07 Aug '09

Hi all, time for another 'Fit and Finish' test day. This time, we want to look at issues and use cases surrounding anything you can plug into your computer, be it a camera, a phone, a usb stick, or whatever gizmos you have at home... Join us in #fedora-fit-and-finish on Freenode, on Aug 11 (next Tuesday). For more information about this test day, see http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-04_Fit_and_Finish:Periph… For more information about 'Fit and Finish', see http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish Matthias

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Re: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9
by Hristo Petkov 07 Aug '09

07 Aug '09

Hi Guys, I am not sure that dropping GIMP is a very good idea. There are a lot of other things that can be dropped. By the way, the live CD should contain only basic trends in applications. A few weeks ago the talk was going on about cluttered desktop. One of the reasons people make cluttered desktop is because they do not know what to install and what not to install, and what to install after what. GIMP is basic image processing under Linux. Why don't you drop the StarDict for example. I cannot add custom dictionaries to it, I cannot add and remove words from it, and nowhere on the internet could I find what is the DB format (dict maybe) and how can one add custom dictionaries to it without reading half of the wikipedia before that. AbyWord is making errors as well. Try to insert a symbol in AbyWord for example. GIMP is O.K. Best regards. --- On Thu, 8/6/09, fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com <fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com> wrote: From: fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com <fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com> Subject: Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9 To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 4:00 PM Send Fedora-desktop-list mailing list submissions to fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com You can reach the person managing the list at fedora-desktop-list-owner(a)redhat.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Fedora-desktop-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd (Matthias Clasen) 2. Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd (Matthias Clasen) 3. Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd (Bill Nottingham) 4. Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd (Matej Cepl) 5. Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd (Nicu Buculei) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:46:16 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <1249562776.1608.3.camel@planemask> Content-Type: text/plain On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 11:26 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 14:51 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > The live cd has a very hard time shrinking below 700M, and it is not > > going to get better when it switches to use a dracut initrd. > > > > One way to make sufficient room on the live cd would be to drop Gimp. > > > > This has been proposed independently, on the grounds that it is not a > > very good fit for the live cd audience anyway (where we probably at most > > need the occasional photo touch ups), and its UI is somewhat > > unconventional. > > > > There is probably not going to be any alternative to this step, due to > > the hard size limits, but I'd like to give people a chance to comment > > first, anyway. So, comments ? > > Would dropping just the gimp user docs, or the extra data be enough? > Those were already gone. And it was not enough. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:47:38 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <1249562858.1608.5.camel@planemask> Content-Type: text/plain On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 09:49 +0000, Matej Cepl wrote: > Toshio Kuratomi, Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:39:01 -0700: > > I don't think Nicu and Gerd are talking so much about random features > > that random users want to try... I think they're talking more about the > > best of breed software and "killer apps" that allow people to see the > > quality of programs written via a free software approach. In this vein, > > GIMP and firefox are both projects that are showcase pieces. They show > > people that free software can be quality software that is a valid > > alternative to proprietary offerings from Adobe and Microsoft. > > Well, if we want to follow this logic, than we should throw a lot of > stuff before removing OpenOffice.org from it, right? > Replacing abiword with the entire openoffice suite blows the iso size up to 825M. Replacing abiword with just oowriter still blows the iso size up to 820M. This is without any openoffice lang packs. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:54:51 -0400 From: Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Message-ID: <20090806135451.GC8712(a)nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul W. Frields (stickster(a)gmail.com) said: > > Some best-of-breed open source stuff like puppet, or apache, > > or <insert other examples here> doesn't really lend itself to a > > demo-ware spin. Which doesn't mean you shouldn't/couldn't have one, > > but it's not going to be a full best-of-breed of what Fedora can do. > > Is there any appeal in doing something more useful with > start.fedoraproject.org, the default browser home page? Such as > putting a few best of breed apps on the page, with links to the latest > builds that PK can install at a click? See bug 315171; there's been ideas floated in this space for a while, but there just haven't been people with time to take the ball and run with it. If there are people on this thread who want to tackle these sorts of thing and have the time to do it (I think we've sort of conclusively proven that the base development & packaging people don't, unfortunately), I'm all for it. Bill ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:54:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Matej Cepl <mcepl(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd To: fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com Message-ID: <h5eqqi$igg$2(a)ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Matthias Clasen, Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:47:38 -0400: >> Well, if we want to follow this logic, than we should throw a lot of >> stuff before removing OpenOffice.org from it, right? >> > Replacing abiword with the entire openoffice suite blows the iso size up > to 825M. > > Replacing abiword with just oowriter still blows the iso size up to > 820M. > > This is without any openoffice lang packs. I know and I am not fighting for OOo inclusion, just showing that we don't follow "make the most useful and shiny apps available" logic already. Matěj ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:26:17 +0300 From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro> Subject: Re: Dropping Gimp from the live cd To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A7AF619.6020407(a)nicubunu.ro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 08/06/2009 05:54 PM, Matej Cepl wrote: > > I know and I am not fighting for OOo inclusion, just showing that we > don't follow "make the most useful and shiny apps available" logic > already. OOo is so big so it is an exception, is it or *several* other applications, making the choice easier. ....and it can be argued OOo is not "cool", is "useful", you do with it mostly boring stuff. It is also not integrated well in the desktop and so on. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list End of Fedora-desktop-list Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9 **************************************************

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Dropping Gimp from the live cd
by Matthias Clasen 07 Aug '09

07 Aug '09

The live cd has a very hard time shrinking below 700M, and it is not going to get better when it switches to use a dracut initrd. One way to make sufficient room on the live cd would be to drop Gimp. This has been proposed independently, on the grounds that it is not a very good fit for the live cd audience anyway (where we probably at most need the occasional photo touch ups), and its UI is somewhat unconventional. There is probably not going to be any alternative to this step, due to the hard size limits, but I'd like to give people a chance to comment first, anyway. So, comments ? Matthias

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