desktop April 2010

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Release Notes Twice?
by Tareq Al Jurf 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

While trying f13beta, I found out that (release notes) is available in Applications>Other and in System>Documentation Why is that? Regards -- Tareq Al Jurf Fedora Ambassador Riyadh, Saudi Arabia taljurf(a)fedoraproject.org

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Re: PolicyKit-authentication-agents in Fedora
by Christoph Wickert 14 Apr '10

14 Apr '10

Am Mittwoch, den 14.04.2010, 11:01 +0200 schrieb Jaroslav Reznik: > On Wednesday 14 April 2010 10:47:12 Christoph Wickert wrote: > > Xfce for example has no agent ATM, so users should be free to > > choose ether polkit-gnome or lxpolkit. This could be easily done it we > > allowed installing them individually. The choice which one is started > > could be easily done graphically in the session properties. > > For desktops that ships own polkit agent you don't need this freedom. Actually > it's quite bad - own polkit agent is usually designed to be an integral part > of it. For now - polkit-kde is standalone package but it's for now before > transition from the old one to new one is done. Then we'd like to have it as > part of kdebase-workspace again and shipped together. Of course - situation > for other desktops could be different (Xfce etc.) and this has to be solved. I agree with you for KDE: KDE is a big all-in-one desktop environment and polkit-kde is the only Qt based agent It doesn't make sense to use another agent but the KDE one, so it makes sense to add it to kdebase-workspace. For the GTK based desktops the situation is a little different, at least for Xfce and LXDE. People should be free do decide if they prefer the lightweight version of LXDE of the more powerful agent of GNOME. Let's not make the same mistakes than Xubuntu and Lubuntu. I'm pretty sure our spins wouldn't be as successful if we followed there approach and make Xfce or LXDE just another GNOME. > Jaroslav Regards, Christoph

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Re: Openoffice.org stub desktop files
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Apr '10

13 Apr '10

On 04/13/2010 12:53 PM, charles zeitler wrote: > > at the risk of being annoying- > what is the "default configuration"? > the same as the "default spin"? Yes. The default package set and configuration for the Desktop Live CD. Rahul

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Re: Openoffice.org stub desktop files
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Apr '10

13 Apr '10

On 04/13/2010 12:07 PM, charles zeitler wrote: > > did i get this wrong? isn't gpk short for gnome-package-kit ? > Yes, it is. Fedora Desktop Live CD includes GNOME PackageKit by default and we are only talking about the default configuration in our discussions here. Rahul

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Openoffice.org stub desktop files
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Apr '10

13 Apr '10

Hi, Among the suggestions from Colin Walters earlier was the idea of install on demand when the user clicks on the menu entry. How much work is this? Can we do this for Fedora 13? Rahul

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gnome-icon-theme: Where have all the icons gone?
by Christoph Wickert 12 Apr '10

12 Apr '10

I just booted the latest Xfce nightly and I was shocked by the massive changes in gnome-icon-theme: Instead of 6597 icons as in F12, gnome-icon-theme now only provides 2434 icons. This means that nearly all of the icons are missing in Xfce, LXDE and many more applications. I know the icon naming guidelines have changed a while back, but there were symbolic links for backwards compatibility. Please bring them back. It is already to late to fix the huge number of packages that are broken now and the change was never announced to the other maintainers. I'd like to kindly remind all maintainers of their responsibility to "notify others_of_changes_that_may_affect_their_packages" [1]. This is very important thing, there is a whole paragraph about it on the wiki page. Please honor it! Please tell me what will happen to gnome-icon-theme now or how the maintainers are supposed to fix their packages in time for F13. Regards, Christoph [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_maintainer_responsibilities#Notify_o…

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Improvements to make fedora more accessible to the blind
by Michael Whapples 12 Apr '10

12 Apr '10

Hello, I recently mentioned in response to another message that I am interested in making fedora more accessible. Let me give a little information of what I find the state of accessibility in fedora is at the moment. The first task is to get fedora installed, at the moment the LiveCD looks like the best option (there is a speakup modified version but this has serious limitations, some coming from the limitations of the text based installer of fedora and some relating to the speakup screen reader eg. I think speakup modified fedora requires a hardware speech synthesiser connected to an onboard serial port). At the moment the LiveCD contains all the correct packages to make it possible for a blind individual to perform an install of fedora independently without any extra hardware (IE. all they need is a computer which allows X to run and that the sound card works by default, my dell 510m laptop meets this fine, so probably do many other computers). Although it is possible to install fedora independently as a blind user, I do hit a number of issues which can catch out even an experienced linux user, and so may entirely block a new comer. I will list two possible improvements which shouldn't take much to alter. 1. Add a log in sound to the default sound theme, otherwise how does a totally blind user know when the LiveCD is booted? That is particularly a problem when using a USB drive instead of a CD as there are no mechanical parts which make a noise while the drive is reading. 2. Once a blind user has the orca screen reader running on the LiveCD, if they select the icon on the desktop to install to HD orca sees the installer window as inaccessible. This is due to the installer running with extra privileges and fedora not being configured to allow orca to work with applications running like this. This can be simply solved by adding a file named /etc/orbitrc containing the following two lines: ORBIIOPIPv4=1 ORBIIOPUNIX=0 How possible would it be to have these changes made (particularly to the LiveCD)? There are a few more changes which would help, some of them possibly having a greater impact but may take more work to solve, I think I will leave those for the moment, little by little. Michael Whapples

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Packaging changes
by Matthias Clasen 10 Apr '10

10 Apr '10

I thought I should point out that the packaging guidelines around GConf schemas have changed a while ago. We now have macros that simplify the handling of schemas. Details can be found at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#GConf Other recent changes: A %clean section is no longer required (starting with F13), and it is no longer necessary to wipe the buildroot in %install: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#.25clean Matthias

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RE: OpenOffice
by Hristo Petkov 10 Apr '10

10 Apr '10

Hi, Maybe it is most appropriate to choose the best packages and to include them into the repository list of the Distro by default. When the user writes down into the search box of the GUI of the Package Installer: OpenOffice the packages will appear in a list. To install the spellchecker he may write: aspell How will the user guess to do this - I have no idea. Most of the users do not read any specifications and instructions at all - they just run what they guess. Maybe an .sh autorun file with an icon reference to the Desktop will do the job. This could be done BTW with some other APPS as well - like for example with the VLC media player. Regards

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CD install delta from F-12 to F-13 current
by Colin Walters 10 Apr '10

10 Apr '10

Hi, A quick report on the current delta between F-12 and F-13's CD (generated by my just-committed script http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spin-kickstarts.git?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a… ) Some highlights are that we added some OS components and apps: + "shotwell 2582122 + "gnome-color-manager 3079621 + "sssd 4135276 + "seahorse 7142974 + "planner 6285529 There's a lot of added packages here, which I think is at least partly due to the comps unification work. Removed: - "gnupg 5073185 - "rhino 826258 - "abiword 15361 - "libabiword 24396251 - "java-1.6.0-openjdk 84493096 The Abiword removal was due to the goal that the CD is just the desktop, shrunk to fit. And finally the biggest winners in terms of package size growth: = "kernel 2667526 = "empathy 2979990 = "libgweather 3184637 = "mesa-dri-drivers 21609392 The full report is attached.

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