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Help with talking points
by Paul W. Frields 18 Aug '10

18 Aug '10

Ryan Rix issued a call for talking points here (and elsewhere): http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-July/013289.html The feature list is somewhat devoid of user-centric features. We know that GNOME 3.0 will not be part of the Fedora 14 release, since it's been deferred until March 2011. I would guess that there will be a separate GNOME 2.32, and that although it may not contain an enormous slew of new user-centric features, it will have some significant improvements and changes. Can anyone summarize some of those for the list, or point us to a URL? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com

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GTK+3 advisiblity for F14?
by Adam Williamson 03 Aug '10

03 Aug '10

Hi, folks. Just a question - since GNOME 3 is being delayed and won't ship in F14, does it make sense to have a few apps (but not many) ported to GTK+ 3 for F14? I can see it causing more trouble along the lines of the gnome-python2-desktop package. Would it be better to move them back to GTK+ 2 and postpone porting to GTK+ 3 until F15? What's the plan in general for backing off from 2.90.x versions of GNOME bits? Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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gnome-python2-desktop needs various porting to GNOME / GTK+ 3
by Adam Williamson 02 Aug '10

02 Aug '10

Hi, folks. I'm helping dmalcolm with the Python 2.7 rebuild at the moment. gnome-python2-desktop is failing to build for reasons which have nothing to do with Python 2.7 and everything to do with GTK+ 3 and GNOME 3. It has modules for Brasero and Evince, both of which have now been ported to GTK+ 3. Trying to build gnome-python2-desktop with these modules enabled fails due to various changes between GTK+2 and GTK+3. g-p2-d also has gnome media profiles support: gnome-media-profiles has also been made into a new gnome-media-profiles-3.0 version which requires GTK+3 according to its pkgconfig file, so I suspect gnome-python2-desktop will need adjusting for that too. For now I'm going to send David a build with the Brasero and Evince modules disabled and the gnome-media-profiles support also disabled. This will break a couple of apps - pybackpack and sugar-read - but that's presumably preferable to having gnome-python2-desktop broken entirely (and hence also gnome-applets). Obviously, though, this should be fixed properly - upstream, of course. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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New wallpapers for Fedora 14
by Martin Sourada 30 Jul '10

30 Jul '10

Hi, I've just submitted a package with new backgrounds [1] for laughlin release of fedora. Would be nice if you could switch to them in our default installation as we (fedora design team) would like to have them in F14 Alpha. Thanks. For gnome, you'd want to require laughlin-backgrounds-gnome (or its virtual provides system-backgrounds-gnome), for kde it's laughlin-backgrounds-kde (or its virtual provides system-backgrounds-kde) and for the desktop-backgrounds-compat (IIRC this is for lxde and xfce), you'll want to change the symlinks to point to pictures in laughlin-backgrounds-single. I hope I haven't forgot to send this to anyone involved or sent the mail to wrong person (if so, please accept my apology)... Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/goddard-backgrounds-13.0.0-2.fc14,l…

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Re: desktop Digest, Vol 77, Issue 16
by Hristo Petkov 27 Jul '10

27 Jul '10

Hi, what do you mean by 'that wouldn't be good in some cases'. Try for example to remove the hunspell package (without doing it) to see what will happen with the OS. System -> Administration -> Add/Remove Software Write in the checkbox: hinspell Uncheck the English hunspell package and proceed to see how many packages are prepared to be removed from the system ... and don't forget to press 'cancel' of the operation for it will become 'interesting'. Regards --- On Tue, 7/27/10, desktop-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <desktop-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: From: desktop-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <desktop-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: desktop Digest, Vol 77, Issue 16 To: desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 12:00 PM Send desktop mailing list submissions to desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to desktop-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org You can reach the person managing the list at desktop-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of desktop digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Aditya Patawari wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn (Aditya Patawari) 2. Re: The 'ingenious ideas' about YUM (Bruno Wolff III) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:16:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Aditya Patawari <aditya(a)adityapatawari.com> Subject: Aditya Patawari wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn To: Francisco Estremera <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com> Message-ID: <1901977642.17547445.1280160968207.JavaMail.app(a)ech3-cdn12.prod> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" LinkedIn ------------Aditya Patawari requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Francisco, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Aditya Patawari Accept invitation from Aditya Patawari http://www.linkedin.com/e/10a2e2-gc3iscuk-6v/XMbpOaUPh1O-nXglGgB10t6Ps4HHzF… View invitation from Aditya Patawari http://www.linkedin.com/e/10a2e2-gc3iscuk-6v/XMbpOaUPh1O-nXglGgB10t6Ps4HHzF… ------------------------------------------ DID YOU KNOW your LinkedIn profile helps you control your public image when people search for you? Setting your profile as public means your LinkedIn profile will come up when people enter your name in leading search engines. Take control of your image! http://www.linkedin.com/e/10a2e2-gc3iscuk-6v/ewp/inv-22/ ------ (c) 2010, LinkedIn Corporation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/attachments/20100726/22cb8… ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:34:24 -0500 From: Bruno Wolff III <bruno(a)wolff.to> Subject: Re: The 'ingenious ideas' about YUM To: Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> Cc: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20100726173424.GA2460(a)wolff.to> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 18:06:27 -0700, Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote: > > 'post' is a section of a kickstart file - the type of file used for > building Fedora live CDs. It comes after the main operation of building > the CD is complete. Bruno simply meant that the 'yum remove somepackage' > operation in the 'post' section of the Fedora live kickstart should be > removed, he was not suggesting any change to the yum utility itself. Thanks. For example if another spin based off the livecd desktop spin actually uses perl, then removing perl in post would have bad effects. Though it seems the yum command was failing on the nightly compose builder, so that command wasn't having any significant effect on those builds in any case. But perhaps building in a different environment might have caused it to actually remove packages during the post install phase and that wouldn't be good in some cases. ------------------------------ -- desktop mailing list desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop End of desktop Digest, Vol 77, Issue 16 ***************************************

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RE: The 'ingenious ideas' about YUM
by Hristo Petkov 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

Hi, RE: > Removing packages in post can break including the livecd-desktop ks in > other ks (which is a recommend practice) if the other ks needs any of > the removed packages. > The yum remove in post should be removed. I am not sure what exactly 'removing packages in post can break' should mean, but removing 'remove' in YUM is not an idea of first brilliance. At the beginning when I started using Fedora I really had some problems when removing packages but there is no problem when one installs 'orthogonal' packages (not sharing libraries, dictionaries, inference engines, imported objects, etc.). Thus for example you can install and uninstall Adobe Reader as much as you like and nothing will happen to the OS. Regards

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Aditya Patawari wants to stay in touch on LinkedIn
by Aditya Patawari 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

LinkedIn ------------Aditya Patawari requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Francisco, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Aditya Patawari Accept invitation from Aditya Patawari http://www.linkedin.com/e/10a2e2-gc3iscuk-6v/XMbpOaUPh1O-nXglGgB10t6Ps4HHzF… View invitation from Aditya Patawari http://www.linkedin.com/e/10a2e2-gc3iscuk-6v/XMbpOaUPh1O-nXglGgB10t6Ps4HHzF… ------------------------------------------ DID YOU KNOW your LinkedIn profile helps you control your public image when people search for you? Setting your profile as public means your LinkedIn profile will come up when people enter your name in leading search engines. Take control of your image! http://www.linkedin.com/e/10a2e2-gc3iscuk-6v/ewp/inv-22/ ------ (c) 2010, LinkedIn Corporation

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livecd-desktop.ks improperly does a yum remove in post
by Bruno Wolff III 23 Jul '10

23 Jul '10

Removing packages in post can break including the livecd-desktop ks in other ks (which is a recommend practice) if the other ks needs any of the removed packages. The yum remove in post should be removed. The downside to doing it now is that the alpha cd image may end up being oversized. But it's possible that other spins might not incluide all of their intended packages if this isn't reverted now. The hope is that by GA syslinux will be fixed not to depend on perl so that this doesn't end up being a problem.

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how to disable the Hibernate and Suspend buttons in F13 ?
by Nelson Strother 21 Jul '10

21 Jul '10

In the presence of long-lasting bugs such as: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556560 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=612757 for some systems with some application loads it would be prudent to reduce the risk of memory corruption leading to file corruption (leading to re-install or restoration from backups) by disabling the Hibernate and Suspend buttons in e.g. Gnome. For older versions of Fedora, one can find clues for this in e.g.: http://faq.aslab.com/index.php?sid=43997&lang=en&action=artikel&cat=58&id=1… These directions are not directly applicable to F13 (i.e. the checkboxen for can_hibernate and can_suspend no longer appear within the general group for apps, gnome-power-manager within gconf-editor. The most tempting nearby possibility within: Applications, System Tools, Configuration Editor is the apps, gnome-power-manager, buttons group. But changing most of these values to "nothing" changes neither the visibility of said command buttons nor changes the behavior when one is selected. I.e. Suspend or Hibernate will still cause filesystem corruption on some systems. Configuration Editor 2.30.0 Is there some other user-accessible configuration to prevent Suspend and Hibernate from being selected? How about for users of non-Gnome desktops? Bugzilla time? Cheers, Nelson

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gnome-power-preferences and gnome-volume-control gone in Rawhide?
by Adam Williamson 18 Jul '10

18 Jul '10

Hey, folks. gnome-power-preferences seems to have disappeared with gnome-power-manager 2.31, as does gnome-volume-control with gnome-media 2.31. Is there some kind of replacement plan for these? (also, looks like Rhythmbox needs a rebuild for the gnome-media update). -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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