desktop April 2011

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A very strange problem occurs with fed 15 + gnome 3 beta
by Alexander Volovics 05 May '11

05 May '11

This is probably not the right place to post but I suspect somebody here can give me a helpful hint. I have been running the fed15/gnome3 beta on my laptop without any problems up till now but something very curious has happened. I cannot boot a live cd on this laptop anymore! The cd drive lights flash, it makes some noises and then instead of the BIOS giving priority to the cd drive it seems as if fed15 just steams ahead and takes control instead of the distro on the cd and up pops the fed15 bootloader/manager screen again. It does not make a difference if I restart or shutdown and power up again. The laptop is configured to boot from cd. The live cd (fed15 + xfce) works perfectly in another pc. I can mount the cd drive and look at the contents, unmount it and eject the drive. The same happens with another live cd (ubuntu 11.04). Booting a live cd worked perfectly under the previous OS: fed14. Before I file a bug report I would like to know if I am overlooking some (configuration) quirk of fed15/gnome3, something that has changed from fed14. And if a file a bug, under what system or OS component. Alexander

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No more panel applets?
by Christoph Wickert 03 May '11

03 May '11

I wonder how to add panel applets to the panel in fallback mode of F15 Beta. There is no menu on right click. If panel applets are no longer supported we need * an announcement to all packagers * to retire all applets and block them from F15 and rawhide * gnome-panel properly obsolete the retired packages * to have this documented in the release notes Did I forget something? Regards, Christoph

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fed 15 + gnome 3 works nice, but ...
by Alexander Volovics 28 Apr '11

28 Apr '11

I have been reading some posts here and see that I am pouring oil on the fire so it might be foolish to continue. But "Who are a little wise, the best fooles be". Exploring Gnome 3 under Fedora 15 beta. So far: very nice to work with, great usability, but it could do with some more configurability options and then it would also be pleasing to LOOK at. Not unimportant eh. (I am making the following remarks under the proviso that I do not know if the standard (upstream) Gnome 3 is included in Fedora 15 beta and wat Fedora has contributed to the mix). Are there any plans to increase desktop configurability in Gnome 3. For example: - I would like to be able to change the color of the top bar The lid of my laptop is a shiny black and the addition of the black colored top bar gives the desktop an even more funereal appearance (and makes the bar hard to see/read). - I would like to be able to REMOVE icons from applications overviews under 'Applications' in the 'Activities overview'. First I would like to remove ALL icons from the 'All' category. * This overview is not really necessary because the same icons are included under the other categories 'System Tools', 'Accessories', 'Graphics', etc. * Furthermore given the stupid and unhandy 16:9 laptop screens you have to scroll to see them all so having all icons available does not really save time/work. * Finding a particular icon among this plethora of icons is hardly easy. * Given the large size and the sometimes brash colors and non-uniform design of the icons makes this desktop full of large blobs not very aesthetically pleasing. Second I would like to 'prune' the icons listed under the categories retaining only the icons of the apps I use regularly (possibly putting some of these 'pruned' icons in some 'Other' category). - I would like to change the 'top bar' to an 'under bar' and have the notifications pop up at the top (and why do pop ups and notifications need to have a black background). Personally I find these 'wishes' very reasonable and not detracting from the design and usability of Gnome 3. I could even understand the need to concentrate on other issues at the moment but I do think that tools to make these kinds of changes are necessary, even for beginning and inexperienced users! PS Who designs/creates the icons/icon themes. I find the icons (too) big, brash, glaring and sometimes downright ugly with no consideration for the overall effect. (for example the 'Games' icons). It would be much nicer if they were created with an overall effect in mind using compatible colors and forms (say a sleek blue/silver theme, uniformly applied). PS If configuration options as specified above or comparable are planned for updates or Gnome 3.2 then I would be even more happy with Gnome 3. If not, is it possible to put forward things like the above as 'suggestions' for the design team and what is the best possible place for this. NB I can not and do not code myself. Alexander

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GNOME 3 Test Day #3 recap
by Vitezslav Humpa 27 Apr '11

27 Apr '11

The final of the three Fedora 15 GNOME 3 Test Days took place on 2011-04-21. It drew 23 testers which is little more than previously, while less original bugs were reported this time - a fact connected to some great work developers did on GNOME in recent months. Also this time the final 3.0 packages were included in the Test Day and everybody who attended the first one could see the difference. Most bugs were again reported into Fedora bugzilla and a couple in the GNOME bugzilla. Bugs relate to all parts of gnome-shell and are mostly centred around standing issues like multi-head configurations etc. Here is the list of original bugs. As most have already been triaged, pre-existing bugs and duplicates are not listed. Fedora bugzilla: 680147 NEW - gnome control-center and gnome-user-share crash on manually created account 698148 NEW - [abrt] empathy-3.0.0-1.fc15: Process /usr/bin/empathy-accounts was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV) 698807 NEW - Icon disappears when I try to connect to hidden network 699359 NEW - Firefox doesn't respect the desktop's default URI handlers in GNOME 3 695227 NEW - Notification Area and Window Cursor Boundary on Dual Head Systems. 698817 NEW - Icon disappears when trying to rearrange on the dash 699422 NEW - There is a non-empty Other category in the Applications menu in the GNOME3 test day Live Image 698711 NEW - Generic video multihead test failure 699023 NEW - Adding small files fails 698556 NEW - Bluetooth can't find any device 698244 ASSIGNED - app icon exposed in gnome-shell is fuzzy 695222 CLOSED UPSTREAM - Inconsistent Behaviour Changing Virtual Desktops on Dual Head Systems | OLDER 698585 CLOSED UPSTREAM - Some dragged applications do not work in the Corresponding workspace 698698 CLOSED UPSTREAM - 12/24 time format doesn't get updated on panel when changed in control center GNOME bugzilla: 648556 UNCONFIRMED - Date and Time application doesn't correctly control the ntpd service 648599 NEEDINFO - System Info -> Default Applications doesn't remember the changes As this was the last of the GNOME Test Days, we want to say thanks to ALL these community members who gave some of their free time and helped: Chuck Anderson Alberto Bonacina Horst H. von Brand Mathieu Bridon Tilmann Bubeck Pavol Celuch Mike Cloaked Stéphane Démurget Adam M Dutko Miguel Zúñiga González Andre Groetzsch Jóhann B. Guðmundsson Amir Hedayaty Michal Hriň Tadej Janež Iván Jiménez Walter Justen Felix Kaechele Nicolas Kaiser Yulia Kopkova Tim Lauridsen Antonio Lima Athmane Madjoudj Marcus Moeller Marcus Nitzschke Scott Olson Peter F. Patel-Schneider Armin Preiml Andre Robatino Gerard Ryan Michel Salim Reinout van Schouwen Misha Shnurapet Filip Slunecko Nathan Thomas Luigi Votta John Watzke Pavel Zhukov and all the others that I might have failed to put in this list! GNOME Test Days are over now, but we can still use your help with Cloud SIG Test Day tomorrow and following QA events tied to exciting process of final release: desktop and installation testing of the Final RC's in about two weeks. Thanks! -- Vita Humpa Fedora QA

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Fedora 15 beta: tweak advanced settings and system settings icon are the same
by Clyde E. Kunkel 27 Apr '11

27 Apr '11

Are they supposed to be the same? If not, who rules? I would expect tweak advanced settings to have a different icon. (BTW: love this gnome shell!!!) -- Regards, OldFart

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overshooting mouse accidentally activates overview mode
by Chuck Anderson 27 Apr '11

27 Apr '11

After using Gnome 3/Shell for a couple months now, it has really grown on me. I have one UI annoyance that I wonder if the designers could comment on. When I'm using a maximized application like Firefox or Chromium, I often have to move the mouse to near the upper-left corner to activate a tab or use the forward/back buttons or File menu. Sometimes, rather often, I overshoot and accidentally activate the overview mode hot corner. I believe this mostly happens with Chromium since it doesn't use the standard system title bar, leaving the tabs and other controls a lot closer to the hot corner. But it does sometimes happen with standard apps too. I'm not sure how tweak the design to prevent this from happening, but I'm wondering if this has come up before and been considered.

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Slow leak in Shell?
by Adam Williamson 23 Apr '11

23 Apr '11

Has anyone noticed a slow leak in Shell lately? I just noticed it taking 800MB of RAM on my desktop, running current F15 (gnome-shell-3.0.0.2-2.fc15.x86_64). It's been up for four days, but suspended over night and sometimes when I go out, so it's only really been _running_ about half of that. I don't have any extensions enabled. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Test Day live images: please check
by Adam Williamson 20 Apr '11

20 Apr '11

Hey, folks. So I built live images for Thursday's Test Day, they're linked from the test day page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-04-21_GNOME3_Final#Live_image I tested them out and they seem pretty good, but if you have a few minutes to give them a shot and make sure there's nothing that'd cause problems for the event, that'd be great. Also, if anyone has any last-minute changes they want to get in for the Test Day I can revise the images, but please let me know soon :) Thanks! The images are mostly current F15 'stable' (after the Beta freeze was lifted, so all the GNOME 3.0 packages that got backed up are in). I pulled latest abrt for improved crash reporting (hopefully), latest kernel for some nouveau fixes, libfprint and fprintd as requested by hadess, gnome-desktop3, gnome-menus, gnome-themes-standard to resolve some dep problems in the stable package set, ntfs-3g for another dep issue, and NetworkManager as requested by Dan for a new feature he wanted in for the test day. I built 'em on an F15 host this time, so they're under 600MB. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Why doesn't GTK+ 2 Adwaita look more like GTK+ 3 Adwaita?
by Adam Williamson 20 Apr '11

20 Apr '11

Well...see subject. Something I realized had been niggling me when the (mostly positive) Register review of F15 Beta mentioned it. GTK+ 2 'Adwaita' sure looks a lot like Clearlooks; is there a reason it can't be a bit more grey/white and rounded, like GTK+ 3 Adwaita? Why the blue? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Heads-up on a polish bug with krb5-auth-dialog
by Adam Williamson 19 Apr '11

19 Apr '11

Just wanted to bring some wider attention to this issue: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=688302 I filed it a while back but the maintainer doesn't seem very responsive. It seems krb5-auth-dialog has some kind of bug which causes it to notify you that your credentials 'have expired' even if you don't have any. krb5-auth-dialog isn't installed by default in F15 but it *was* in previous releases, so anyone who upgrades from F13 or F14 to F15 is going to see this; it results in a persistent notification in the Shell which you can't really get rid of, short of removing the package manually. I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to fix, but the maintainer hasn't responded at all yet. Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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