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Default Services in the Fedora Workstation
by Elad Alfassa 12 Nov '13

12 Nov '13

Hi. Does the "Fedora Workstation" vision means we can disable (or even remove) all enterprise stuff (nfs, iscsi, and lots of other pointless services for desktops) by default in our product? Can we, for example, ask the Anacoda team to make dependencies on enterprise-class storage optional, thus enabling us to not ship it by default on the workstation product? -- -Elad Alfassa.

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Re: New default Lock screen wallpaper
by Máirín Duffy 09 Nov '13

09 Nov '13

Well u can't expect all users to do that. Sent from my phone, which is not an iphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Date:11/09/2013 4:24 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: New default Lock screen wallpaper On Sat, Nov 09, 2013 at 04:19:24PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: > Fwiw I saw it on Ray's screen (samsung ativ book) and on Ryan's screens > (lenovo thinkpad and dell ips.) On Ryans screens it did look broken, like > a messed up alpha channel or an over-aggressively-indexed color mode. On > Ray's screen it looked more intentional. It had a brown tint on Ryans and > a green tint on Rays. > > On Ray's screen, it kind of looks like a multicolor digital quilt. On > Ryans it looks the same except someone spilled coffee in the lower left > corner. And the coffee color is very contrasty with the rest. Hmmm. Would Ryan like to borrow my ColorHug? :) -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> -- desktop mailing list desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop

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Re: New default Lock screen wallpaper
by Máirín Duffy 09 Nov '13

09 Nov '13

Fwiw I saw it on Ray's screen (samsung ativ book) and on Ryan's screens (lenovo thinkpad and dell ips.) On Ryans screens it did look broken, like a messed up alpha channel or an over-aggressively-indexed color mode. On Ray's screen it looked more intentional. It had a brown tint on Ryans and a green tint on Rays. On Ray's screen, it kind of looks like a multicolor digital quilt. On Ryans it looks the same except someone spilled coffee in the lower left corner. And the coffee color is very contrasty with the rest. Sent from my phone, which is not an iphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Date:11/09/2013 2:08 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: New default Lock screen wallpaper On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 09:39:01AM -0500, Ryan Lerch wrote: > But if it is rendering as intended... fair enough. FWIW (very little, I know) I think it's pretty. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> -- desktop mailing list desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop

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New default Lock screen wallpaper
by Ryan Lerch 09 Nov '13

09 Nov '13

I just did a fresh install of tc6, and noticed that the lock screen default wallpaper has been changed from the pink starburst to this: http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/screenshots/lock.jpg Is that the way it is supposed to look? or do i have some sort of colour-corrupted image? cheers, ryanlerch

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Workstation product kernel requirements
by Josh Boyer 09 Nov '13

09 Nov '13

Hi All, My apologies for sending this out so late compared to the other product queries. I will simply claim that I hope the current Fedora kernel is already meeting desktop/workstation needs and my delay was partially because of that ;). At any rate, the kernel team would like to know what you see as the requirements for the Workstation product. Thus far the discussions with the other product groups has mostly centered around packaging changes. I would imagine Workstation doesn't particularly suffer from anything in the current packaging, and could likely share a common packaging scheme with Server for the most part. However, if that isn't the case please let us know what you'd like to see from a packaging standpoint, keeping in mind we want a single main kernel package across all 3 products as much as possible. On IRC, Matthias mentioned some issues around interactivity and I/O. If there are other things like that, please speak to those as well. Thanks for your time. josh

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Power saving by default in Fedora Desktop
by Elad Alfassa 08 Nov '13

08 Nov '13

Hi all. It'd be awesome if we could make sure default Fedora Workstation will have "laptop mode" on by default. Right now I need to run a script that changes many power tunables (got the list from powertop) to save battery on my laptop. It should be default. Perhaps detect if the machine is on-battery and if so enable all power saving features (disable watchdog, increase the vm_dirty_writeback_centisecs value, and so on)? Can this be part of upower? Can we have a setting in Settings for that? (Something like "Enable power saving when on battery (decreases performance)"? slightly off-topic to the main subject of this email, I was wondering: perhaps we should make gnome-shell automatically raise the nice and ionice values (ie. lower the priority) of unfocused windows, so that a focused window will always get priority for I/O and processor time (thus increasing the perceived performance of the system) -- -Elad Alfassa.

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My input: Case 4: Developer in a Large Organization
by Jimmy Dorff 07 Nov '13

07 Nov '13

“Case 4” in the Product Description is the most important for me. The is where I work in a university, but I know some commercial orgs that work similarly. My developers are writing code and analyzing data. They are not building or contributing to Fedora. Key tools are C, C++, python, R, Matlab, Octave, plus git and svn. We use enterprise logins (ldap + MIT krb5). Desktops are NFS clients, data is stored on file servers. Desktops often have multiple displays. Desktops are professionally managed. The level of developer admin is going to vary based on the organization. Generally the developer isn’t installing the workstation. Home directories are centrally stored and preserved across updates. In summary: * enterprise logins (large numbers of users and groups) * network filesystems (NFS, SMB, etc..) * centralized network and desktop management (lots of great tools exist) Cheers, Jimmy

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Power saving settings of GDM in Fedora 20
by Sergio Pascual 07 Nov '13

07 Nov '13

Hi, if I log out of the gnome session, my monitor does not put itself in power saving mode after a time. It used to do it in F19. I suppose this is related with the power saving settings of the gdm user, whick spawns the login screen. I have updated from F19 to F20 via fedup. I do not know if this affects my system only, everything updated via fedup or all F20 installs. Regards, Sergio

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Fedora 20 Beta RC5 validation in progress, help welcome!
by Adam Williamson 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Hi, folks. Just a note for anyone who didn't catch it on test-announce: Fedora 20 Beta RC5 is now available, and we need to complete the mandatory validation tests (so, GNOME and KDE) by tomorrow's go/no-go meeting to have a chance of shipping it. It would also be great to get the testing done for Xfce and LXDE. If you have a few minutes, it'd be great if you could grab the images from https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-Beta-RC5/ and help fill out the results at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_20_Beta_RC5_Desktop . Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation
by Christian Schaller 06 Nov '13

06 Nov '13

Hi everyone, Attached is the draft PRD for the Workstation working group. The proposal tries to be relatively high level and focus on goals and principles, but I have included some concrete examples at times to try to provide some clarity on how the goals and principles could play out in practice. I hope the community at large will take the time to read through it and provide feedback so that when the working group meet next we can use that feedback to start tuning in on the final form of the PRD. Also in the name of openness, before I sent this here, I showed the PRD draft to key stakeholders and decision makers inside Red Hat, to ensure that we have the necessary support for these plans to get the kind of engineering resources allocated from Red Hat we will need to pull this off. Sincerely, Christian F.K. Schaller P.S. I am celebrating both our wedding anniversary and my wifes birthday this weekend so I will not be able to be online a lot. That said I will make the time to go online to check my email from time to time so that I can respond to any questions that has come in, just don't expect immediate answers from me this weekend :)

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