desktop October 2014

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proposal for new "FOSCo" group to mirror FESCo
by Matthew Miller 27 Oct '14

27 Oct '14

I posted individual messages to a number of other mailing lists, but this one I'm just cross-posting to the three lists for the product working groups. We've floated a proposal to have a new "Fedora Outreach Steering Committee", which would replace FAmSCo — so no net new governance groups added, following Mitr's ban on such things :). The idea is to help coordinate marketing, support, and evangelism like we do the engineering side of things. I'm posting this on _these_ lists, because I think that if we do go this route, we should have FOSCo WG liaisons just like the FESCo liaison. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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freedesktop specs
by Rahul Sundaram 24 Oct '14

24 Oct '14

Hi Would it be feasible to require that any default applications in workstation follow the appropriate freedesktop specifications including xdg base dir in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Guidelines/Applications_and_Laun… I have been filing a number of RFE's and some of the components including IcedTea (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=947647) got fixed recently but mandating it could help adoption more. This would be a continuation of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XdgConfigDirs The only major application that doesn't support it yet and is the default in workstation afaik is Firefox https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259356 For reference, I have filed the following bug reports before Tor: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=968163 Eclipse: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1084257 Python bugzilla: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1103540 Thanks! Rahul

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Branding concerns about workstation
by Máirín Duffy 24 Oct '14

24 Oct '14

Hi folks, Christian and I talked about some of the points brought up in this thread this morning and we agreed that a good way forward would be to come up with: (1) A written policy on how we brand Fedora, and also (2) A documented process that can be followed when there's a request to change that policy. I'm going to go back through this thread (and some of the other related ones that have popped up over time, this seems to come up cyclically lately) and talk to some of the stakeholders involved (including Matthew from the Fedora POV, one of the RHEL product managers from the RHEL POV since our branding ability affects RHEL, Jakub who is one of the GNOME shell designers) to list out all of the goals / needs we have and various possibilities to address them that won't compromise the design but also achieve the goals we have (if that's possible :) Let's be optimistic and assume it is.) I am going to reach out to some of our Red Hat corporate branding folks too since a lot of them have deep experience on this sort of problem space not just from RH's perspective but from their work at other companies and see if I can't find someone to advise us from that sort of third-person / objective POV as well - maybe they might have some good insight or solution we haven't considered. I have a few other things to tie up today but I will have a rough draft at a problem statement written up this week and will start some other documentation too (e.g. going through the thread and pulling out potential suggested solutions, etc.) I will keep this list posted and keep things open so anybody can have the opportunity to suggest ideas / provide feedback / etc. ~m

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[Fwd: [Test-Announce] Fedora 21 Beta Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!]
by Adam Williamson 24 Oct '14

24 Oct '14

It'd be great if folks could help out with the Beta RC1 testing. The cloud images seem to be busted but everything else is available for testing, and Dennis will look into the Cloud issues tomorrow. In the meantime if people can help get the ARM and Workstation/KDE tests run it'd be a big help. You can use my silly relval tool - https://www.happyassassin.net/wikitcms/ - as an alternative to editing the wiki pages to report results, if you like. Set up the repo, install relval, and run 'relval report-results --username=(fasname)'. You might find it a bit easier/more efficient than editing the pages. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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workstation marketing - hardware
by Máirín Duffy 22 Oct '14

22 Oct '14

Hi, Quick question from the website dept. here - We are thinking about having a nice high-quality photo of a laptop to show the workstation desktop screenshot on for the website. Do we have any preferences as to what model laptop we might want to feature? If we did this, would we have to blur out / debrand the system? Does anyone have thoughts on this kind of thing? Thanks, ~m

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Report of F20 -> F21 package additions / removals
by Kalev Lember 22 Oct '14

22 Oct '14

Hi all, In the last Workstation WG meeting I promised to do a report of package changes compared to F20. Here are the results, comparing: Fedora-Live-Desktop-x86_64-20-1.iso Fedora-Live-Workstation-x86_64-21_Beta-TC2.iso Applications ============ Screenshots: F20: https://kalev.fedorapeople.org/applications-f20.png F21, page 1: https://kalev.fedorapeople.org/applications-f21-beta-tc2-page1.png F21, page 1: https://kalev.fedorapeople.org/applications-f21-beta-tc2-page2.png Removed: baobab.desktop fedora-release-notes.desktop firewall-config.desktop Added: bijiben.desktop brasero.desktop devassistant.desktop eog.desktop gnome-dictionary.desktop org.gnome.Boxes.desktop org.gnome.Logs.desktop org.gnome.Maps.desktop org.gnome.SoundRecorder.desktop org.gnome.Weather.Application.desktop simple-scan.desktop transmission-gtk.desktop Renamed: cheese.desktop -> org.gnome.Cheese.desktop file-roller.desktop -> org.gnome.FileRoller.desktop gcalctool.desktop -> gnome-calculator.desktop gedit.desktop -> org.gnome.gedit.desktop gnome-clocks.desktop -> org.gnome.clocks.desktop gnome-contacts.desktop -> org.gnome.Contacts.desktop gnome-documents.desktop -> org.gnome.Documents.desktop gnome-font-viewer.desktop -> org.gnome.font-viewer.desktop gnome-screenshot.desktop -> org.gnome.Screenshot.desktop gnome-software.desktop -> org.gnome.Software.desktop nautilus.desktop -> org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop totem.desktop -> org.gnome.Totem.desktop Packages ======== Removed: NetworkManager-l2tp PackageKit-device-rebind PackageKit-yum PackageKit-yum-plugin adwaita-cursor-theme adwaita-gtk3-theme aic94xx-firmware alsa-firmware alsa-tools-firmware anaconda-yum-plugins baobab binutils biosdevname ceph-libs cjkuni-uming-fonts crash cryptopp ed fedora-release-notes firewall-config foomatic-filters freerdp-plugins fxload gdm-libs geoclue gfs2-utils gnome-epub-thumbnailer gnome-icon-theme gnome-icon-theme-extras gnome-icon-theme-legacy gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gnome-menus gnome-settings-daemon-updates gtk2-immodule-xim gtk3-immodule-xim heisenbug-backgrounds-base heisenbug-backgrounds-gnome irda-utils irqbalance ivtv-firmware java-1.7.0-openjdk java-1.7.0-openjdk-headless jline kernel-modules-extra ldns leveldb libbsd libgee06 libmash libnl libreswan lohit-malayalam-fonts lohit-oriya-fonts lohit-punjabi-fonts m17n-contrib mutter-wayland nhn-nanum-fonts-common nhn-nanum-gothic-fonts notify-python paktype-naqsh-fonts pinentry-gtk python-cups redhat-menus reiserfs-utils rhino socat sysvinit-tools tmpwatch totem-mozplugin ttmkfdir wqy-zenhei-fonts xl2tpd xorg-x11-drv-mga xorg-x11-fonts-Type1 xorg-x11-glamor xulrunner Added: NetworkManager-adsl NetworkManager-bluetooth NetworkManager-config-connectivity-fedora NetworkManager-wifi NetworkManager-wwan PackageKit-cached-metadata PyXB PyYAML SDL2 aajohan-comfortaa-fonts abrt-addon-python3 abrt-cli abrt-python3 abrt-tui adobe-source-han-sans-cn-fonts adobe-source-han-sans-twhk-fonts adwaita-icon-theme anaconda-core anaconda-gui anaconda-tui appstream-data apr apr-util augeas-libs autogen-libopts bijiben bluez-libs boost-iostreams brasero brasero-nautilus cdparanoia cdrdao check checkpolicy corosync corosynclib createrepo_c createrepo_c-libs crypto-policies cups-client cyrus-sasl desktop-backgrounds-basic devassistant dos2unix dtc dvd+rw-tools efivar-libs eog epiphany-runtime evolution-help f21-backgrounds-base f21-backgrounds-gnome fedora-logos-httpd fedora-release-workstation fedora-repos firebird-libfbembed firewalld-config-workstation foomatic foomatic-db foomatic-db-filesystem foomatic-db-ppds genisoimage gfbgraph git glusterfs-fuse gnome-boxes gnome-classic-session gnome-dictionary gnome-logs gnome-maps gnome-shell-extension-alternate-tab gnome-shell-extension-apps-menu gnome-shell-extension-common gnome-shell-extension-launch-new-instance gnome-shell-extension-places-menu gnome-shell-extension-window-list gnome-sound-recorder gnome-user-share gnome-weather gnu-free-fonts-common gnu-free-mono-fonts gnu-free-sans-fonts gnu-free-serif-fonts gnupg gnutls-dane gnutls-utils gom gtkspell3 gutenprint-libs hpijs hplip httpd httpd-filesystem httpd-tools ibus-typing-booster icedax ipxe-roms-qemu iscsi-initiator-utils-iscsiuio java-1.8.0-openjdk-headless jimtcl jwhois kernel-core kernel-modules keybinder3 libGLEW libabw libappstream-glib libatomic_ops libbabeltrace libburn libdatrie libe-book libeot libepoxy libetonyek libfdt libfreehand libgovirt libgsystem libhif libibverbs libidn2 libinput libisofs libmbim-utils libmediaart libmng libnfsidmap libphodav-1.0 libqb libqmi-utils librados2 librbd1 librdmacm libreoffice-emailmerge libreoffice-math libreoffice-pyuno libreport-python3 librevenge libseccomp libsmartcols libsrtp libtimezonemap libtirpc libtranslit libtranslit-m17n libusal libusbmuxd libvirt-client libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-config-network libvirt-daemon-driver-interface libvirt-daemon-driver-network libvirt-daemon-driver-nodedev libvirt-daemon-driver-nwfilter libvirt-daemon-driver-qemu libvirt-daemon-driver-secret libvirt-daemon-driver-storage libvirt-daemon-kvm libvirt-gconfig libvirt-glib libvirt-gobject libwinpr libwsman1 libxkbcommon-x11 libxshmfence libyaml lohit-gurmukhi-fonts lohit-odia-fonts lzop man-pages mesa-libGLES mesa-libGLU mod_dnssd mozjs24 mpage mtr naver-nanum-fonts-common naver-nanum-gothic-fonts netcf-libs nfs-utils numad openjpeg2 paktype-naskh-basic-fonts pam_krb5 perl perl-Carp perl-Data-Dumper perl-Encode perl-Error perl-Exporter perl-File-Path perl-File-Temp perl-Filter perl-Getopt-Long perl-Git perl-HTTP-Tiny perl-Module-CoreList perl-PathTools perl-Pod-Escapes perl-Pod-Perldoc perl-Pod-Simple perl-Pod-Usage perl-Scalar-List-Utils perl-Socket perl-Storable perl-Term-ANSIColor perl-TermReadKey perl-Text-ParseWords perl-Time-HiRes perl-Time-Local perl-constant perl-libs perl-macros perl-parent perl-podlators perl-threads perl-threads-shared perl-version pinentry-qt pinfo protobuf protobuf-c protobuf-compiler python-PyGithub python-augeas python-babel python-backports python-backports-ssl_match_hostname python-coverage python-dmidecode python-jinja2 python-markupsafe python-meh-gui python-pillow python-progress python-setuptools python-xpyb python3-cups python3-dbus python3-enchant python3-pip python3-pycurl python3-setuptools qemu-common qemu-img qemu-kvm qemu-system-x86 qt qt-settings qt-x11 qt5-qtbase qt5-qtbase-gui qt5-qtdeclarative qt5-qtxmlpatterns quota quota-nls radvd rpcbind rpm-plugin-selinux scl-utils seabios-bin seavgabios-bin sgabios-bin sheepdog simple-scan spice-server sssd-libwbclient stix-fonts subunit syslinux-extlinux-nonlinux syslinux-nonlinux systemd-compat-libs systemd-python3 tcpdump telnet transmission-common transmission-gtk uboot-tools vorbis-tools vte-profile vte291 webkitgtk4 wget wodim words xcb-util-image xcb-util-keysyms xcb-util-renderutil xcb-util-wm xen-libs xen-licenses Of added packages, the following are leaf packages: NetworkManager-adsl NetworkManager-bluetooth PackageKit-cached-metadata aajohan-comfortaa-fonts abrt-cli adobe-source-han-sans-cn-fonts adobe-source-han-sans-twhk-fonts bijiben brasero-nautilus desktop-backgrounds-basic devassistant dos2unix eog evolution-help foomatic gnome-boxes gnome-classic-session gnome-dictionary gnome-logs gnome-maps gnome-sound-recorder gnome-user-share gnome-weather gnu-free-mono-fonts gnu-free-sans-fonts gnu-free-serif-fonts hplip ibus-typing-booster jwhois libreoffice-emailmerge libreoffice-math lohit-gurmukhi-fonts lohit-odia-fonts man-pages mpage mtr naver-nanum-gothic-fonts paktype-naskh-basic-fonts pam_krb5 perl-macros pinfo qt5-qtdeclarative scl-utils simple-scan sssd-libwbclient stix-fonts tcpdump telnet transmission-gtk uboot-tools words -- Kalev

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Meeting Minutes for Workstation WG 2014-10-22 Meeting
by Josh Boyer 22 Oct '14

22 Oct '14

======================================= #fedora-meeting: Workstation WG meeting ======================================= Meeting started by jwb at 15:00:59 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-10-22/workstation.2014… . Meeting summary --------------- * init (jwb, 15:00:59) * Netinstall (jwb, 15:04:29) * LINK: FESCo ticket on netinstall: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1358 (stickster, 15:09:02) * LINK: https://kalev.fedorapeople.org/netinstall1.png (kalev, 15:16:19) * LINK: https://kalev.fedorapeople.org/netinstall2.png (kalev, 15:16:20) * LINK: https://kalev.fedorapeople.org/netinstall3.png (kalev, 15:16:21) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1358 (jwb, 15:19:52) * AGREED: Workstation is OK with netinstall defaulting to Server, but asks FESCo to only ship a single netinstall and remove the Workstation specific netinstall and install tree from F21. (jwb, 15:32:33) * ACTION: kalev to follow up with FESCo (jwb, 15:33:07) * Branding work (jwb, 15:33:19) * Open WG seat (jwb, 15:52:36) * open floor (jwb, 15:54:49) * ACTION: jwb to send a whenisgood for the next meeting (jwb, 16:00:34) * follow up on package adds/removals on-list in the meantime (jwb, 16:01:00) Meeting ended at 16:01:09 UTC. Action Items ------------ * kalev to follow up with FESCo * jwb to send a whenisgood for the next meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jwb * jwb to send a whenisgood for the next meeting * kalev * kalev to follow up with FESCo * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jwb (82) * stickster (47) * kalev (39) * ryanlerch (22) * juhp_ (22) * otaylor (14) * drago01 (9) * mclasen_ (8) * sgallagh (8) * cschalle (8) * zodbot (5) * cwickert (2) * jsmith (1) * juhp (0) * mclasen (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Workstation WG 2014-10-22 Meeting Agenda
by Josh Boyer 22 Oct '14

22 Oct '14

Meeting in #fedora-meeting on Wed Oct 22, 2014 @ 15:00 UTC - Open seat - Branding work - Netinstall - Package additions/removals https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-October/010893.html - xdg-dir requirement for default apps https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-October/010979.html

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systemd-networkd and network management plans
by Rahul Sundaram 22 Oct '14

22 Oct '14

Hi For a long time, NetworkManager handled only wifi and simpler connection needs and although it now has support for bridging, bonding etc, it seems not integrated with GNOME very much. Meanwhile, systemd-networkd handles a lot more of that but doesn't handle wifi (yet?) and I am not sure what the plans are between NM and systemd-networkd to avoid code duplication. Do we still ship the older network scripts in Fedora workstation? What are the plans to integrate systemd-networkd if any? What is the future of NM? Rahul

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Meeting topics for tomorrow?
by Josh Boyer 22 Oct '14

22 Oct '14

Hi All, I've been a bit busy the past week and haven't had a chance to track down issues for the Workstation WG meeting tomorrow. Aside from filling the vacant seat, what topics would people like to discuss? josh

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