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Fedora 21 Alpha validation test work
by Adam Williamson 23 Jan '15

23 Jan '15

Hi, folks. So, we're scheduled for Alpha TC1 tomorrow. We had a nice happy co-operative plan where QA and the WGs would collaborate on revising the release validation test process for Fedora.next... ...which, well, didn't really happen. As of this morning we were nowhere near having a viable validation process. So I went for plan B: I spent today more or less pulling the entire thing out of my ass. It's a bit rough around the edges, but I think we more or less have something workable now. I have skipped the draft stage for a lot of documents just in the interest of having something vaguely workable in time for TC1; of course, the pages can be revised as much as necessary as we work with them. It's a bit hard to remember everything I've done, but we now have a draft Alpha Release Criteria page which should cover all release-blocking media, which for now I'm assuming includes the Workstation live media, Server minimal and offline install media, Cloud and ARM disk images, and possibly some kind of generic network install image. That draft is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_F21_Alpha_criteria and is based on the stuff from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_server_release_criteria , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_workstation_release_crit… and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Roshi/QA/Cloud_Docs/Cloud_Alpha_Release… , plus some adjustments to the templates that handle the preamble. We have a new validation matrix, for Server product-specific tests: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Server_validation_results_template The Desktop matrix has been adjusted to cover - not quite elegantly, but at least cover - both the Workstation product and the KDE spin: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Desktop_validation_results_template The Base matrix has been extended to add a couple of new test cases that came out of the Product criteria drafting process, but actually aren't really product specific, and has had its columns adjusted to be product-y: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Base_validation_results_template The installation matrix has similarly had a couple of new criteria wedged in, but much more importantly, I ripped the netinst, DVD and live image 'sanity test' sections and replaced them with an ARM-style table where a single 'generic' test case is run against several images on several platforms - that's the "Default boot and install" section, so please cast an eye over it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_21_Install_Results_Template and I made a small change to the release validation test event SOP to list the server matrix as one to create: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event Here are links to all (I think) of the new test cases I had to write as I went along: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Boot_default_install https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_kickstart_user_creation https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_base_service_manipulation https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_base_selinux https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Server_firewall_default https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_kickstart_firewall https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Server_cockpit_default The following test cases already existed, but are newly included in the release validation process (they were written for test days): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_FreeIPA_realmd_join https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_realmd_join_kickstart https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_realmd_join_server There are still quite a few i's to dot and t's to cross. There are some release criteria and test cases that explicitly reference 'the DVD' image that will need to be adjusted. We need to apply the 'associated release criterion' template to all the new test cases, and probably clean up some categorizations. Various other process documentation pages may need to be updated, we'll have to check through all of them. But I think now we at least have the broad strokes of what's needed for .next validation testing. All feedback on the above changes is of course welcome! Please do cast your eye over and point out anything I missed, anything that looks silly, any possible improvements and so on. Remember, though, this is really *test process* design: we're not actually doing product design here, if you think there are issues with the Fedora.next changes themselves, that goes to the WGs or FESCo. As far as this work is concerned, we're just trying to test the new Products as they're designed (all of the above is based off of the Product PRDs and tech specs). I'll take time tomorrow to do some polishing, and of course look at any and all feedback on the stuff I did today. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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NTP switch in gnome-control-center is broken
by Michael Catanzaro 19 Nov '14

19 Nov '14

Hi, Let's decide what to do about https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1136905 Long story short: timedated no longer supports NTP clients other than timesyncd (the new systemd NTP client). Oversimplifying, the chrony developers say that chrony is better than timesyncd, and the systemd developers say that timesyncd is better than chrony. We need to remove chrony from the default install and figure out what to do for users upgrading to F21 (if we do not uninstall chrony, the switch will be broken), or patch out the change to timedated, or build systemd without timedated and provide our own implementation of it, or patch gnome-control-center. None of these seem like particularly good options. Removing chrony seems like an easy solution, but I'm not sure how we could handle upgrades without hurting users who don't want chrony to be removed. Michael

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systemd-networkd and network management plans
by Rahul Sundaram 22 Oct '14

22 Oct '14

Hi For a long time, NetworkManager handled only wifi and simpler connection needs and although it now has support for bridging, bonding etc, it seems not integrated with GNOME very much. Meanwhile, systemd-networkd handles a lot more of that but doesn't handle wifi (yet?) and I am not sure what the plans are between NM and systemd-networkd to avoid code duplication. Do we still ship the older network scripts in Fedora workstation? What are the plans to integrate systemd-networkd if any? What is the future of NM? Rahul

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"Package sets" release criterion: what to do with it?
by Adam Williamson 15 Oct '14

15 Oct '14

Hi, folks. I'm checking the release criteria again for Fedora.next compatibility, and there's an Alpha criterion with obvious issues: "Package sets When doing a graphical install using the dedicated installer images, the installer must be able to install each of the release blocking desktops, as well as the minimal package set. " This was obviously written to the world where we had generic installer images - the DVD, and intentionally-generic netinsts. We do not have those things any more. Do we want to dump this criterion entirely, or is there any of it we would like to keep? For instance, would we consider it 'release blocking' functionality for you to be able to do some/any of the above from the Server and/or Workstation network install images *after configuring the repos manually*? Particularly, the minimal installation? I'm not sure F21 as currently conceived would offer an avenue for doing an interactive minimal installation. Basically, it comes down to: do we want to have a blessed method for doing a network install of KDE and/or minimal? If so, do we want to block releases on it? Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Beta / Final release criteria for Workstation
by Adam Williamson 14 Oct '14

14 Oct '14

Hi, folks. I wanted to ask if you envisage a need for release criteria for Workstation at Beta (or Final) over and above those that already exist for 'desktop' stuff. Areas I notice: SSSD is listed in the tech spec. We have server-side requirements for FreeIPA in the Server product; do we want to formulate client-side requirements? We don't really have criteria relating to a11y or complex input methods; this isn't Workstation-y in particular, but something that might be interesting? Appearance is something we'd want to enforce if it were actually done, but I get the impression the Qt variant of Adwaita isn't actually written yet. Functional requirements for the 'core apps' - we have requirements for graphical updating (but not package install), web browser, and terminal in the current criteria, but not for text editor, file manager, Boxes, or 'developer assistant'. Do remember that anything we write in the release criteria is something we expect to enforce: if you don't actually want the release to be delayed if it's not done, best not to have a criterion for it. More aspirational 'to-do' or 'it'd be good if...' lists can be handled somewhere else, I don't know/care where, but not in the criteria :) Thanks folks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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[PATCH] Move captive portal to fedora-release-workstation
by Josh Boyer 06 Oct '14

06 Oct '14

Pretty much what we discussed on IRC yesterday. Anyone have problems with me committing this today? josh diff --git a/gnome-shell.spec b/gnome-shell.spec index a085076..94e284d 100644 --- a/gnome-shell.spec +++ b/gnome-shell.spec @@ -102,8 +102,6 @@ Requires: gdm-libs%{?_isa} Requires: clutter%{?_isa} >= %{clutter_version} # needed for settings items in menus Requires: control-center -# needed for captive portal support -Requires: NetworkManager-config-connectivity-fedora %description GNOME Shell provides core user interface functions for the GNOME 3 desktop, diff --git a/fedora-release.spec b/fedora-release.spec index 333875f..1d7db6b 100644 --- a/fedora-release.spec +++ b/fedora-release.spec @@ -72,6 +72,8 @@ Requires: fedora-release = %{version}-%{release} Conflicts: fedora-release-cloud Conflicts: fedora-release-server Conflicts: fedora-release-standard +# needed for captive portal support +Requires: NetworkManager-config-connectivity-fedora %description workstation Provides a base package for Fedora Workstation-specific configuration files to

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xfce desktop
by josé Carlos 26 Sep '14

26 Sep '14

Hello everybody I'm a brazilian guy, and it's my first time in a discution list. So, i already apologize for my english rss I am coming of debian based distro, so, i am adapting myself to fedora'usability and package manager. My doubt is how can i install xfce 4.12 in fedora 20(i install xfce 4.10 and i tried upgrade so i could not. ps: my fedora is fedora spin mate Thanks! *José Carlos F. Jr*

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Workstation WG Meeting Minutes 2014-09-24
by Josh Boyer 24 Sep '14

24 Sep '14

======================================= #fedora-meeting: Workstation WG meeting ======================================= Meeting started by jwb at 15:00:55 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-09-24/workstation.2014… . Meeting summary --------------- * init (jwb, 15:00:55) * GNOME Classic in default install (jwb, 15:05:22) * AGREED: leave Classic included by default. Work with QA to ensure it gets properly tested (jwb, 15:09:09) * Target image size (jwb, 15:09:59) * AGREED: Workstation image size has a soft limit of 1.5GB for F21/F22 (jwb, 15:32:35) * ACTION: kalev to produce a report of additions/removals compared to F20 for review (jwb, 15:32:56) * WG member re-affirmation (jwb, 15:33:09) * present WG members all wish to remain on the WG. jwb to follow up with absent members (jwb, 15:41:36) * discuss open seat on the list (jwb, 15:41:41) * CUPS (jwb, 15:42:08) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/workstation/ticket/8 (jwb, 15:42:12) * AGREED: enable CUPS on demand in Workstation (jwb, 15:46:03) * ACTION: kalev and mclasen_ to follow up with twaugh on implementation (jwb, 15:46:18) * open floor (jwb, 15:47:36) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1337#comment:12 (juhp_, 16:03:00) * ACTION: jwb to follow up with kalev on moving the dependency for capitve portal to fedora-release-workstation instead of gnome-shell (jwb, 16:06:40) Meeting ended at 16:08:23 UTC. Action Items ------------ * kalev to produce a report of additions/removals compared to F20 for review * kalev and mclasen_ to follow up with twaugh on implementation * jwb to follow up with kalev on moving the dependency for capitve portal to fedora-release-workstation instead of gnome-shell Action Items, by person ----------------------- * jwb * jwb to follow up with kalev on moving the dependency for capitve portal to fedora-release-workstation instead of gnome-shell * kalev * kalev to produce a report of additions/removals compared to F20 for review * kalev and mclasen_ to follow up with twaugh on implementation * jwb to follow up with kalev on moving the dependency for capitve portal to fedora-release-workstation instead of gnome-shell * mclasen * kalev and mclasen_ to follow up with twaugh on implementation * mclasen_ * kalev and mclasen_ to follow up with twaugh on implementation * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * jwb (104) * elad661 (42) * bitlord (35) * mclasen_ (32) * kalev (26) * otaylor (23) * juhp_ (21) * sgallagh (21) * stickster (13) * drago01 (8) * zodbot (7) * cwickert (5) * aday (4) * bochecha (2) * orc_fedo_ (1) * ltinkl (0) * ryanlerch (0) * juhp (0) * cschalle (0) * mclasen (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Captive Authentication feature in f21
by Ryan Lerch 23 Sep '14

23 Sep '14

Hi all, Been trying out F21 on my new laptop, and saw the nifty new captive auth feature when logging into wifi at starbucks this morning. I did notice that the name of the application (as it appears in the gmenu up near the activities button) is "Captive Authentication". To a new user, that may not know exactly what captive auth is, this may be worrying or confusing -- "what about my authentication is being captured?" Perhaps changing this to something like "Network Login" work work better? cheers, ryanlerch

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Workstation WG 2014-09-24 Meeting Agenda
by Josh Boyer 23 Sep '14

23 Sep '14

Hi All, Meeting tomorrow. Agenda is below. If you have anything to add/change, please let me know. * GNOME Classic in default install? * Target image size? - See libreoffice thread(s) - Alpha is 1.3GB * WG member re-affirmation and replacing Lukáš Tinkl - I have confirmed with Lukáš that he is OK with stepping down josh

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