desktop November 2015

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Default web browser search provider in GNOME shell
by Ryan Lerch 12 Nov '15

12 Nov '15

Currently, the web (epiphany) browser in GNOME has a search provider so that you can search for something on the web. I don't use this feature (unless by accident), as i use Firefox as my default browser. I have epiphany installed for trying out websites in different browsers. I know that the search providers are provided by the apps themselves, but just wondering if in the case of searching the web, that there is a search provider in Fedora Workstation that simply searches with whatever you have set as your default webbrowser. It just seems this is a point where a user will get confused when a different browser (other than their default) is shown when searching for the internet in shell. cheers, ryanlerch

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2015-Nov-11
by Paul W. Frields 12 Nov '15

12 Nov '15

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-11-11/workstation.2015… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-11-11/workstation.2015… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-11-11/workstation.2015… * * * =============================== #fedora-meeting: Workstation WG =============================== Meeting started by stickster at 15:00:10 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-11-11/workstation.2015… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 15:00:16) * Brief coverage of F23 release (stickster, 15:02:37) * Overall reaction to the release has been positive, nice work everyone. (stickster, 15:03:10) * LINK: http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/90206/fedora-from-the-cockpit-las-390/ (stickster, 15:04:51) * ACTION: stickster Consult design team about an F24 task to revamp anaconda banner designs (stickster, 15:08:54) * ACTION: cschalle_ consult with graphics guys for input on our best approach to document how long, if at all, NVidia users may need to delay F24 upgrade (stickster, 15:12:33) * ACTION: stickster return to graphics issue for next agenda (stickster, 15:15:22) * Work relevant to installer (stickster, 15:15:36) * ACTION: mclasen__ will talk to mcatanzaro about language selection idea, and once we're agreed on what to do there, consult with anaconda team (stickster, 15:33:33) * Desktop info on Developer Portal (stickster, 15:33:57) * ACTION: stickster invite Developer Portal devs to list/meeting to ask about goals and roadmap, and how it fits with Workstation/native app devel (stickster, 15:47:37) * Application pruning for F24 (stickster, 15:48:35) * Empathy (stickster, 15:50:21) * ACTION: mclasen__ to look at untangling gnome-shell and telepathy upstream and report back (stickster, 16:00:47) * Wayland is now default in Rawhide! (stickster, 16:01:37) Meeting ended at 16:02:20 UTC. Action Items ------------ * stickster Consult design team about an F24 task to revamp anaconda banner designs * cschalle_ consult with graphics guys for input on our best approach to document how long, if at all, NVidia users may need to delay F24 upgrade * stickster return to graphics issue for next agenda * mclasen__ will talk to mcatanzaro about language selection idea, and once we're agreed on what to do there, consult with anaconda team * stickster invite Developer Portal devs to list/meeting to ask about goals and roadmap, and how it fits with Workstation/native app devel * mclasen__ to look at untangling gnome-shell and telepathy upstream and report back Action Items, by person ----------------------- * cschalle_ * cschalle_ consult with graphics guys for input on our best approach to document how long, if at all, NVidia users may need to delay F24 upgrade * mclasen__ * mclasen__ will talk to mcatanzaro about language selection idea, and once we're agreed on what to do there, consult with anaconda team * mclasen__ to look at untangling gnome-shell and telepathy upstream and report back * stickster * stickster Consult design team about an F24 task to revamp anaconda banner designs * stickster return to graphics issue for next agenda * stickster invite Developer Portal devs to list/meeting to ask about goals and roadmap, and how it fits with Workstation/native app devel * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (85) * mclasen__ (34) * kalev-phone (18) * cschalle_ (18) * otaylor (10) * zodbot (6) * rdieter (5) * linuxmodder|LISA (1) * satellit (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Desktop section at Fedora Developer Portal
by Jiri Eischmann 11 Nov '15

11 Nov '15

Hi, the Fedora Developer Portal is out [1] and I've been asked by its maintainers if we can help them with a desktop section. They asked me if we could write up and article how to write a simple "Hello World" GTK+ app using recommended languages and tools. I suppose a Qt app example would also be quite relevant to Fedora Workstation, but we should start with GTK+. Eventually, we can add XDGApp to "Deploy and Distribute" section and Builder to "Get Tools" section. Any thoughts, ideas? Jiri

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Red Hat Engineer plans for Fedora Workstation 24
by Christian Schaller 10 Nov '15

10 Nov '15

Hi, While we haven't gotten F23 out the door yet, the time has come to plan for Fedora Workstation 24. Here is what we have so far. This was originally written for some of our internal planning, but I thought this content could be of general interest to the community and the working group. It is basically the areas we are looking at internally at RH in terms of features to go into Fedora Workstation 24. Hopefully publishing this will allow people in the community to align your efforts with ours. Of course these are just our plans, as it always is with such things they might slip as we get closer to the actual release. Christian Codecs ------------ H264 - I expect us to have sorted through our Koji changes and have this ready for F24, unless we suddenly start blocking on Cisco. Wim Taymans should start looking at getting Main support added at some point. People involved - Kalev Lember (mclasen), Wim Taymans (Kem), Kevin Fenzi (pfrields) Hardware enablement ------------------- Optimus Handling - Better support in the stack for Optimus systems is another item I expect us to have ready for Fedora 24. People involved: Adam Jackson (kem), Ray Strode (mclasen) GL Dispatch, EGLstreams and EGL Device - While we would be depending on NVidia supporting this to make a practical step forward for most users I expect us to have the framework ready for Fedora 24. People involved - Adam Jackson (kem) GPU passthrough in Boxes - I expect us to be able to land this feature in time for Fedora 24 unless we end up blocking on the QEMU/KVM team somehow. People involved - Zeeshan Ali (mclasen) Laptop certification improvements - While not directly Fedora related I expect that we have started doing some serious work in this field by the time Fedora 24 is out and hopefully can start see some benefit coming out of it in terms of better Fedora and RHEL support on new laptop hardware. People involved - Marek Kasik ( Jiri Eischmann) Battery life - I am expecting to see some tangible results here in time for Fedora Workstation 24. Initial discussions with HW partner underway. People involved - Josh Boyer (pfrields), Laura Abbot (pfrields), Bastien Nocera (mclasen), Owen Taylor (cschalle) Enterprise features ------------------- GDM/KDC proxy access - Integrate two-factor authentication into GDM. Allan Day investigating design. - Allan Day (mclasen), Ray Strode (mclasen), Alexander Bokovoy (dpal). Improve Firefox integration and kerberos handling. Martin Stransky (jeischma), Simo Source libsoup/gssapi integration with kerberos framework. Tomas Popela (jeischma) Further improvements in GOA UI in relation to kerberos handling. Derbashi Ray (mclasen) Fleet Commander - I want us to have a initial fleet commander to release alongside Fedora 24. It should support GNOME, Firefox and LibreOffice. People involved (Alberto Ruiz) Windows RDP remoting - We should tie this into the enterprise login and make sure freerdp can use it to authenticate with the windows system. We should try to test it tested by internal IT. People involved - Ondrej Holy (dblechter), Tomas Popela (jeishma), Oliver Haesller (Internal IT) System Polish ----------------- GUI system upgrade - I expect us to have operating system upgrade available during the Fedora 23 lifecycle in GNOME Software, enabling people to upgrade from Fedora 23 to Fedora 24 through GNOME Software. People involved - Richard Hughes (mclasen) and Kalev Lember (mclasen). USB Creator - ideally this should be ready in time for Fedora 23 already. With full support for Windows, Mac and Linux. People involved - Martin Briza (jeischma). Qt integration - In theory we already got a bit of stuff ready here, but we need to do some work to ensure that major 3rd party software using Qt are using the Adwaita theme we made by default. I also hope we can land the high contrast version in time for Fedora 24. People involved - Martin Briza (jeischma). 3rd party software - I expect us to have and agreement with Matthew Miller on a final design of labeling and availability of 3rd party software in time for it to be implemented and available in Fedora 24. So that people can install major software like Chrome, Skype, Spotify, Steam, Viber and more through GNOME Software in Fedora Workstation 24. People involved - Richard Hughes (mclasen), Kalev Lember (mclasen), Matthew Miller (Fedora) Wayland - I expect us to be shipping Wayland as default in Fedora 24. People involved (Jonas Ådahl (mclasen), Olivier Fourdan (kem) and many more. XDG app in GNOME Software - We need to have the infrastructure ready to make XDG apps available and upgradable in GNOME Software. People involved - Richard Hughes (mclasen) and Alex Larsson (mclasen) Developer tooling -------------------- Screencasting - top notch screencasting tool built with Pinos - Wim Taymans (kem) XDG App - We will have Builder ready to make the building and deployment of XDG-apps very simple for Fedora Workstation 24, targeting a CentOS derived runtime. People involved - Christian Hergert (mclasen), Alexander Larsson (mclasen), David King (mclasen) More developer tools packages - We should look at ways to package some major developer tools as XDG app bundles like PyCharm, Visual Studio (?), MonoDevelop etc. Maybe try to work with upstream projects to make them own this. People involved - TBD.

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About vendor lock and UEFI boot on fedora
by Bastián Díaz 07 Nov '15

07 Nov '15

Hello everyone, I wanted to raise an issue that continues, regarding how manufacturers implement the UEFI system on their computers, and how it affects users. In particular, I mean as some companies like Acer, make their laptops recognize only the UEFI boot, if and only if the parent folder is called "Windows Boot Manager". This brought me a lot of headaches, particularly because using the "legacy bios", the laptop had problems with power management (not turned off, restarted, suspended, etc). https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1213216 Initially unaware of the situation, but much searching I found the solution. Now my question is: is that the user experience is expected in fedora? Unfortunately, the distribution can not do much about it, unless you can document these situations. In the last week, trying to enable ZSWAP in my system, I realized that it is not possible to update the grub after editing the file etc/default/grub with the command /boot/efi/EFI/Windows\ Boot\ Manager/grub.cfg (modifying the target route). I had to create a file in another location and then replace the existing one. Under these circumstances, the GRUB2 automatic update work? They will searching the web several cases, particularly with ACER and ASUS laptops. My focus is on this issue, as several of these laptops (Aspire E 11 "ES1-111M-C6NR) were donated to a high school with aspirations to use Linux (fedora) on those computers. Cheers -- Bastián Díaz https://telegram.me/diazbastian

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mac help needed
by kendell clark 07 Nov '15

07 Nov '15

hi all I don't own a mac myself, but I'm writing here in case other people do. I'm a co developer of the sonar distribution, which is basically manjaro with speech. When I downloaded fedora 23 this morning which I also use, I noticed that it has on the USB drive an hfsplus partition with what looks like a dummy copy of the mock kernel binary to trick apples into thinking they're booting a copy of osx. Is there any way I can get a hold of the source, or instructions on how to add this to sonar? I've been going around and around in circles trying to help various people with their macs and the mac isn't booting sonar. It's refusing to even try and I know fedora works on a mac because I've used it. Sorry if this is a little OT for this list but I didn't know where else to post this. Thanks Kendell clark

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Workstation WG call for agenda 2015-Nov-11
by Paul W. Frields 06 Nov '15

06 Nov '15

Look at me, getting my call for agenda out days ahead of time finally. ;-) Other topics are welcome for the agenda -- just reply here by 1700 UTC Tuesday to be considered to include. * Brief notes/coverage of F23 release (5 min) * Anaconda relevant work (for example, pre-installer language selection) (20 min) * Who's responsible, and are they working with the Anaconda folks to make sure data is exported somehow so we avoid showing to the user twice? * Are there other Workstation-specific modules in mind? * Desktop on Developer Portal (15 min) * We want to avoid mass duplication, but what could we contribute to the portal to help with native app development? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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xdg-app accessibility?
by kendell clark 05 Nov '15

05 Nov '15

hi all I've just read christian's fedora workstation update article. This got me thinking. I would like to, if possible, have by fedora 24, at least a basic level of functioning accessibility for xdg-app compliant applications. I'll be happy to work with upstream or fedora developers directly and do as much work as I can to improve this. I seem to recall some talk about this on the mailing list to the equivalent of there needs to be some redesign of the accessibility stack to improve accessibility. While I believe this is extremely important, I think it is more important to get accessibility working with the apps first, and then focus on the redesign, possibly to be ready by f25 or f26? I'm not an accessibility developer in the sense that I write code. I am, however, a passionate open source advocate despite my occasional rants and my long silences as I try to juggle accessibility improvements for all the major desktops on my own, gnome, mate, cinnamon. Michael katanzaro and bastian nosira help me out a lot on the gnome end, but no one else on those other desktops does so I'm left to file the bugs and so on. i have not actually tested xdg compliant apps. Can someone with vision attempt this with orca, magnifier, onscreen keyboard, etc? If we're going to do this, we need to do it right so that accessibility support is equal among the various tools. Thanks Kendell clark

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Requesting migration for desktop list
by Paul W. Frields 03 Nov '15

03 Nov '15

Hi Aurélien, A few people on the WG asked me to contact you to opt-in the desktop@ list for migration to Mailman3/Hyperkitty. Would you like this filed as a ticket somewhere for your records, or do you handle it ad-hoc? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Fedora 23 LiveUSB Creator
by Martin Bříza 02 Nov '15

02 Nov '15

Hey, in the light of tomorrow's new awesome Fedora release, I have released an updated testing version of LiveUSB Creator. There is a Copr repo [1] and Windows direct download [2] for your convenience. Please feel free to report any issue to me directly or the upstream GitHub page [3]. Please note: it will start to work once your local Fedora mirror starts providing F23 images. Cheers! Martin [1] https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/mbriza/liveusb-creator/ [2] https://mbriza.fedorapeople.org/liveusb-creator.zip [3] https://github.com/lmacken/liveusb-creator

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