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Next meeting reschedule?
by Paul W. Frields 27 May '15

27 May '15

Our next meeting is scheduled for Monday, May 25. This is a USA holiday, and most folks here tend to celebrate it AFK. My bet is many people wouldn't be available for our meeting. (That includes Yrs. Truly.) WG members, should we reschedule this, or just cancel it? If we want to reschedule, I'd suggest a one-time-only return to the old time, Wed 2015-May-27 at either 1500 UTC (11am US/Eastern). The meeting would return to the regular timeslot on 2015-Jun-08. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Fixing express install for F23
by Paul W. Frields 19 May '15

19 May '15

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1178787 The removal of the separate Workstation DVD and netinst had some fallout with Boxes. It looks like this bug lay dormant after February, which is too bad because there was still time to fix things for F22 at that point. But we should see what to do about this situation for F23. My recollection is the WG opted for getting rid of the separate Workstation installation DVD and netinst in favor of the Live image only. But this causes issuses with Boxes/libosinfo express install of Fedora. One way to fix that would be to bring them back -- essentially go back to producing the images we offered before. That doesn't mean we need to advertise them on the website, though. What are the other alternatives for fixing? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Fedora 22 update security
by Thiyagarajan, Nethaji 19 May '15

19 May '15

Hello, I find that the update utility in Fedora is not like in their previous versions I have used (at least until Fedora 20). The system notifies that there are updates and when the user clicks ok to install the updates, it usually asks for the root or system administrator's password to authorize the update. However, it is strange to see in Fedora 22 that no such security is available. Any normal user could easily install the updates that include kernel, X11 and all system related installs without the need for the system administrator. This might disrupt or falsify if some settings are done by the system administrator. Is this bug going to be fixed or the Fedora community is going more toward Microsoft Windows OS like theme of installing the updates without the need for the system administrator. I hope that this is not the future of Fedora. Fedora is unique in its way and I see that it is adopting more like Microsoft Windows display theme including menus. Thanks Nethaji

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Evolution and Fedora 21 or 22 Kernel 3.19 and above
by Nethaji 19 May '15

19 May '15

Hello, I use Evolution mail client and when I updated from Fedora 20 to 21 or did a fresh install of Fedora 21 workstation, I have problem with evolution restoring my backup file or reading local emails previously saved on the system. The folders are mounted from a remote location in cifs format using either autofs or fstab. There are two issues with this. 1. It mounts the remote path and displays the folder to be 0 size, but normally it shows 4096 for a directory. When I do 'ls -i' the inodes are shown properly. 2. The files prior to update or installation in these folders, especially evolution are not accessible even through 'vi' after mount the file system on a client. 3. I tested this with Debian and Ubuntu (the latest available OS for both) and see the same result, except for Ubuntu, which in evolution opens the saved emails properly. I think the problem is with the kernel version from 3.19.5-200.fc21.i686 +PAE, ignore PAE. It is the same with a non-PAE kernel. I tested on the following kernels and to that I put the commands that worked. Kernel - 3.19.5-200.fc21.i686+PAE (Fedora 21) Kernal - 4.0.0 or 4.0.1 or 4.0.2 (Fedora 22) Kernel - 2.6.32-358.23.2.el6.x86_64 (Redhat Enterprise Linux 6) Kernel - 3.2.0-4-486 (Debian) Kernel - 3.16.0-30-generic (Ubuntu 14.04 LTS) Evolution version - Ubuntu: 3.10, Fedora21: 3.12 Attached with this email are two snapshots of email display from Ubuntu and Fedora 21. The same effect is seen in Fedora 22. While Ubuntu can display the locally saved email, Fedora says permission denied or no such file or directory. The text file 'FedoraCIFSshare.txt' is a summary of what I get when I 'vi' or 'cat' on the saved emails. When I do the same in Ubuntu, Enterprise Linux or Debian, I can open the files using both the email client and text editors. This problem does not even let me to save any new mails into these folders (i.e. locally) as they cannot be seen again. This is the same for Drafts too. This only happens on a CIFS mounted folders and not on local folders (the folders on the system's harddrive). The cifs share is mounted using the command or using autofs mount -t cifs //server/home /home/user -o username=myname The same command is used in Debian, Ubuntu and Enterprise linux. Everything works as expected except on Fedora 21 and Fedora 22. Even on Fedora 20 with kernel 3.19 Thanks Nethaji

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Council Engineering update
by Josh Boyer 18 May '15

18 May '15

Hi Workstation WG, As part of the on-going Council updates, I'm organizing a Fedora Engineering update. This includes the various WGs, rel-eng, infrastructure, and a few others. The idea behind this is to give a brief update of the work your group is doing towards the F23 and F24 releases. Think of this as a 5-10 minute "lightning talk" of the highlights you want to see in those releases. The meeting is July 7th. It would be excellent if you could have a volunteer present the update for your group and stay around to answer any questions. Worst case, please gather the information and send it to me and I can do the overview, but representation from the group is clearly preferred. If you have questions, please let me know. The idea and format are somewhat new, so we'll work through this as best we can. josh

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hibernation unsupported by installer, but is default in gnome
by Chris Murphy 15 May '15

15 May '15

This combination is sufficiently incongruent to be utterly broken, and therefore looks a likely blocker in my opinion. a. It's the default behavior, rather than power off, when battery power is critical https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1141345 b. Either systemd or the kernel isn't seeing the hibernation image, or isn't putting the system into hibernation mode, because it just reboots when the user hits the power button trying to resume. Therefore resume doesn't actually happen. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1199708 c. The installer doesn't configure systems for hibernation out of the box. Until b and c are addressed, the simple fix is to address bug a. -- Chris Murphy

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2015-05-18 @ 1600 UTC Fedora Blocker Review Meeting
by Adam Williamson 15 May '15

15 May '15

# F22 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2015-05-18 # Time: 1600 UTC # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net Time for blocker review once more on Monday! I will not be around to run the meeting as I'm on vacation; roshi will likely be running it. This is the final scheduled blocker review meeting before Go/No-Go, so please make sure any bugs you want discussed are nominated in time. As I write this, there are 5 proposed blockers and 1 proposed freeze exception. We'll be evaluating these bugs to see if they violate any of the Release Criteria and warrant the blocking of a release if they're not fixed. Information on the release criteria for F22 can be found on the wiki [0]. For more information about the Blocker and Freeze exception process, check out these links: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process And for those of you who are curious how a Blocker Review Meeting works - or how it's supposed to go and you want to run one - check out the SOP on the wiki: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting Have a good weekend and see you Monday! [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Official Fedora Survey 2015
by Diogo Campos 15 May '15

15 May '15

I have seen things like these recently: 1- https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2015/05/07/summary-of-fedora-workstation-fee… 2- https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2015-April/011897.html 3- https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2015-April/011860.html 4- http://otroblogdegnu-linux.blogspot.com.br/2015/05/do-you-want-gnome-tweak-… 5- Someone (Mathew Miller?) saying that Fedora should have something like this: http://blog.brackets.io/2015/03/27/introducing-brackets-health-report/ (these are my words, can not find the original message). So, I was wondering... There is interest in a "Official Fedora Survey 2015" thing? Because I can (and I want to) do something about it. I am thinking in something to expose the concrete needs/difficulties/desires from real users (especially from those who care) about Fedora (and Linuxes, and OSes) in a useful, understandable, and more precise way. If yes, please, say it, so I can show/catch ideas and work on a demo. And, if not, please, say it too, because I kinda don't want to waste my time on an useless thing. Thanks.

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Fedora Health Report
by Diogo Campos 15 May '15

15 May '15

Hi again. You've probably seen this: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2015-May/012069.html But we have to agree that, if useful, its usefulness is a bit limited. I also said in that e-mail, that there is mentions of desire (by someone, somewhere - can't remember, sorry) of a Fedora equivalent of this: http://blog.brackets.io/2015/03/27/introducing-brackets-health-report/ (my words). But I ignored this possibility, at first, because I thought that it was something way out of my skills. Turns out I realized that I know a bit of Node.js :P So, now, I'm kinda interested in making this too, but I am not really sure of how to do it :/ Probably the basic stuff can be covered by this: https://nodejs.org/api/os.html But beyond that, especially about (possible) Fedora specific details (like SELinux), I'm totally lost. So, in this e-mail, I am asking for confirmation that there is interest on this, and also asking for a bit of (general) technical advice. Could someone kindly provide me any of these?

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Re: Testing request: gdm-on-Wayland on hybrid graphics laptops (esp. Macbooks)
by Adam Williamson 14 May '15

14 May '15

On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 16:17 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > I had gdm issues on my f19 to f22beta upgrade too. Startx worked. > Worse, the lock screen cannot unlock. Claims wrong passwd. Killing > Xorg just led to restarted locked screen. Only way out was init 1 Thanks for the report, but I'd like to keep things precise and clear so we don't confuse ourselves: is this a system with dual GPUs? When you say 'GDM issues', do you have the same symptom as Chris (boot to a black screen)? If you edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf and uncomment the line: #WaylandEnable=false and reboot, does it start working? Thanks! (same questions for all testers...) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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