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Mouse capture issues when running in VMware (F22)
by Everaldo Canuto 12 May '15

12 May '15

Hello. Fedora 22 is not working well on VMware (Fusion or Workstation). Neither X11 or Wayland it working well and some of us still using Fedora virtualised for different reasons. Theres two bug reports about this but I don't know if someone is working on it. Also, I don't know how too found information about someone working on a bug report. Theses are reports: * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1214474 * https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1204393 Is there someone looking at this bug reports? Isn't it a release breaker since it works well on Fedora 21? Cheers. -- Everaldo Canuto +55 11 981-141-805 | everaldo.canuto(a)gmail.com 01100101 01110110 01100101 01110010 01100001 01101100 01100100 01101111

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Re: Why people are not switching to Fedora
by Norman L Smith 12 May '15

12 May '15

On Sun, 10 May 2015 11:41:13 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > We don't ship any system-config-* utilities anymore, and we will not > add any ever again (system configuration belongs in gnome-control > -center), so this isn't relevant to Workstation at all. This sounds > like a complaint for the KDE SIG. I agree system configuration belongs in gnome-control-center. I am not a gnome-shell hater. I use gnome-shell on all of my systems, but if things are replaced, they should be as good as what is replaced. system-config-printer is better than gnome-control-center with printers. The problem is the system-config-* utilities functions are not always completely replaced by the gnome-control-center. An example is you cannot share printers from gnome-control-center. Sharing printers is relevant to Workstation. A very popular solution from The Google is system-config-printer or Cups via localhost:631. See Gnome Bugzilla 692532 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692532 opened 2013-01-25, last comment 2013-02-15, last history entry 2013-04-19 "ui-review". It is interesting to read Red Hat Bugzilla 1136588 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1136588 in this context where there is a reference to localhost:631. I like the idea of Workstation. I have used Red Hat Linux and then Fedora since Apollo. I subscribed to this mailing list after reading about the new approach for Fedora. I get the impression from reading this list popularity as measured in number of users is a goal. A dubious goal... <with apologies for bluntness> A better goal is to be good at what you do. For me in the past Fedora has been very good to me. It is better to be good than popular. With all due respect, Norman

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Why people are not switching to Fedora
by Christian Schaller 12 May '15

12 May '15

Hi, so a couple of weeks ago I blogged** about who Fedora Workstation is an integrated system, but also asking for feedback for why people are not migrating to Fedora Workstation, especially asking about why people would be using GNOME 3 on another distro. So I got about 140 comments on that post so I thought I should write up a summary and post here. There was of course a lot of things mentioned, but I will try to keep this summary to what I picked up as the recurring topics. So while this of course is a poll consisting of self selected commentators I still think the sample is big enough that we should take the feedback into serious consideration for our plans going forward. Some of them I even think are already handled by underway efforts. Release cadence Quite a few people mentioned this, ranging from those who wanted to switch us to a rolling release, a tick/tock release style, to just long release cycles. Probably more people saying they thought the current 6 Month cycle was just to harrowing than people who wanted rolling releases or tick/tock releases. 3rd Party Software This was the single most brought up item. With people saying that they stayed on other distros due to the pain of getting 3rd party software on Fedora. This ranged from drivers (NVidia, Wi-Fi), to media codecs to end user applications. Width of software available in general was also brought up quite a few times. If anyone is in any doubt that our current policy here is costing us users I think these comments clearly demonstrates otherwise. Optimus support Quite a few people did bring up that our Optimus support wasn't great. Luckily I know Bastien Nocera is working on something there based on work by Dave Arlie, so hopefully this is one we can check off soon. Upgrades Many people also pointed out that we had no UI for upgrading Fedora. HiDPI issues A few comments on various challenges people have with HiDPI screens, especially when dealing with non-GTK3 apps- Multimonitor support A few comments that our multimonitor support could be better SELinux is a pain A few comments about SELinux still getting in the way at times Better Android integration A few people asked for more/better Android device integration features Built in backup solution A few people requested we create some kind of integrated backup solution Also a few concrete requests in terms of applications for Fedora: http://www.mixxx.org http://www.vocalproject.net https://gnumdk.github.io/lollypop/ http://peterlevi.com/variety/ http://foldercolor.tuxfamily.org choqok for GNOME (microblogging client) ** URL - https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2015/04/20/fedora-workstation-more-than-the-…

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gnome-builder in the Featured section of gnome-software
by Elad Alfassa 11 May '15

11 May '15

Hi, Should we make gnome-builder a "featured" application in Workstation for F22? Builder, while still young, is already a very useful IDE for both C and Python from my experience, even when not working on GNOME apps/libraries. Additionally, right now when searching for "IDE" in gnome-software, IDEs like Code:Blocks and Anjuta rank higher in the search result. I'll send a patch upstream later to improve Builder's appdata and keywords to try to get it higher on the list. I really think Builder is something we should promote in Workstation, it is a very useful tool for our target audience. -- -Elad.

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formal apology
by kendell clark 11 May '15

11 May '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hi all Boy, is this hard. I want to send out a formal apology to the mailing list for the ... less than helpful responses I've sent out, two in the last couple of minutes. My only excuse, poor as it is, is I've just had two beers last night before going to sleep, and I guess it affected my temper. That, and "windows just works" comments really irritate me. I should really try not to take it out on people, but I'm not good at that. Now that we're on the subject, suggestions on how I can avoid this in the future are welcome. I seem incapable of doing it myself. I'm all for using what you want, but sometimes I get carried away with what I use, and forget that other people use other distros. An obvious one, but shrug. Thanks Kendell clark Sent from Fedora GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVUR9mAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdDOAP/A/1fbzqYcIjG311AWAyovFn 7hzJJx7rBd3KYcMuL6opS2EBMRMHnf2xTl6BrIEmtNzG9B+Q7zphVNHjI++0Tz/s exEQV9xMaEAeB59BZ76dLjeSv5XjrxY3M4PKlwtDSaIMSSKmuQRg1jjUWFMVCQlE jU6bF3mToRng3pEx7jyrANlkJAGGTSku/NmETLTUccd5WYOg7Arv6m0eJ6IORC28 pP82W7ZFy6fnlU2nOk7xoc/W9eQBhdlci2CDCFc2crlSvdjt9uQfkj6Yfq2Kpgl3 Xy5CyMdiHh7x+MdSJj5uv5ne4E3ytVHx3noJb/cMusSSsL6RdqQjmGabkBL/PlEO HDNYQEHYFh00e3VIv3o8QIId/UhIDIfJu6qDWoNnTBsAN5aZBA7vGluuP4Ko+blm a75zPmFU1AJOEpVVpsK+60KGAKCNZ9X1X7EOXhu8yQwGOGlCEzcpPxk+a1DWJhJP ygVN7h7D5RHCaRcdlxwPobSUS6FwU4XJdsnPaDlRmmIHA1QRd43Hw5dOcC4gifWN EmMHqyMuHFeFDR5VzAiYVKF2eixxMRwb5UaQUbg4Y9fJ/QkAxk01RYPbB1ZxMXNO PaNw/v5MR2gpAYp/hPYNk58vB8FoqyJEGY64552PmZYQcyDSYUcwTk2vH/ajxYgV nfWyqHLddFXXJOmglxz2 =yb1N -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Workstation FESCo summary - draft
by Paul W. Frields 11 May '15

11 May '15

Stephen Gallagher kindly asked for a short summary of Workstation efforts and progress for FESCo's next meeting. I prepared a draft here that the WG (and Stephen) can review: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Fedora_22_Workstation_FESCo_repo… I encourage direct edits, but I would also settle for critique or suggestions if you aren't good with the words. ;-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Workstation WG Recap 2015-May-11
by Paul W. Frields 11 May '15

11 May '15

Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-05-11/workstation.2015… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-05-11/workstation.2015… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-05-11/workstation.2015… * * * ====================================== #fedora-meeting: Fedora Workstation WG ====================================== Meeting started by stickster at 13:00:10 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-05-11/workstation.2015… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 13:00:19) * Workstation report for FESCo (stickster, 13:03:49) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Fedora_22_Workstation_FESCo_repo… (stickster, 13:03:55) * F23/F24 Workstation planning (stickster, 13:05:56) * LINK: https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/SUSE:SLE-12:Update/gnome-shell (mcatanzaro, 13:17:22) * IDEA: Improvements to AD/FreeIPA domain behavior (integrate WS into mixed env) (stickster, 13:20:36) * IDEA: Container tools for developers to use on projects / integrate with DevAssistant (stickster, 13:20:52) * IDEA: Make home printers easier to access without admin authN (stickster, 13:21:12) * IDEA: Access to Active Directory printers and file-shares should be simplified (sgallagh, 13:23:03) * IDEA: Talk to purpleidea about packaging oh-my-vagrant as part of container tooling (stickster, 13:39:06) * ACTION: stickster assign people to each of the #idea parts to make sure we have a better defined problem (and maybe solution ideas?) for next meeting (stickster, 14:00:57) Meeting ended at 14:01:41 UTC. Action Items ------------ * stickster assign people to each of the #idea parts to make sure we have a better defined problem (and maybe solution ideas?) for next meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * stickster * stickster assign people to each of the #idea parts to make sure we have a better defined problem (and maybe solution ideas?) for next meeting * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (72) * sgallagh (39) * rdieter (32) * cschalle (30) * mcatanzaro (27) * mclasen_ (14) * pingou (9) * juhp_ (7) * zodbot (6) * kalev (5) * randomuser (4) * jwb (4) * bochecha (3) * number80 (3) * kwizart (2) * Capesteve (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Re: Firefox crashing when trying to play youtube html5 videos
by Heiko Adams 08 May '15

08 May '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I figured out that "dnf remove gstreamer1-libav \*libva\*" seems to solve the problem. Reinstalling one of them makes firefox crashing again. Am 06.05.2015 um 14:05 schrieb Ankur Sinha: > On Wed, 2015-05-06 at 10:53 +0200, Heiko Adams wrote: > > Shouldn't be anything related to rpmfusion packages, should it? > Probably a FF issue? > - -- Regards, Heiko Adams -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVShu8AAoJED6DRcV6KbgxcPAP/1cih2cXOT64aP+5I5US4JJR edSlh9Y9t15qpRy6Pnwqylk9H0mx7qPRADs8/SAcNiB7f2BhYyS9iTycjHs6fpUF +ZG4WCvTGmAHWCwvQialCJ6WsyQ0dlZYKyCVqeHlSKSZXunxXlOmVFC6Wr999psS o9U8gRFNPbQAHBzctuPXCthAQmlnwwi2Ly3QXiDDl/cflWTMCNAQiZcObzT7EtKe QPM5n2j6xdYWy1mvp6K4pe7/7bQ8N2/QkD3+qqmCnr2O9MgEQwrW1t3r3dtqEoco jISEW6JrrhFbwyad2oX+ZXSeOHrPgfyOFxx+uMuooRKyTwyISj2jxRY43MeLFZn7 PeyQdJAK4uzvohpRclSjvPi4ujV0XRPGkQn51besi2ctGjdHhAD00tdzdL6UqEv8 XPeVjHNU2WRMmiIMm6iZ0OyzHz6/k7YxwmAa71ATVJ8uQ75pwX6gsvGicTZUlh/Q 8q/zcUCrqFenlPhC1QwfdPj39U9SBWg1NJ1yWe2PTlYH+qBJG4uEBXmQJWndetBq oc9uzJffqWC3Q3aEGoA+GCs8iK/Iy7kPiwvyL+samSKnFpMN8Qx1wJT76rEpgIM2 ovTE2x/MoX1vavqwkP3WcRdLleVkNXJtN32f0mu7FsMLnfLLjHw3dQj5nX9crcrn ylYoKFzKoZhok7ace0kb =DwBL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Call for agenda for Workstation WG meeting 2015-May-11
by Paul W. Frields 08 May '15

08 May '15

Next meeting is Monday, 2015-May-11 at 1300 UTC/9:00am US-EDT. I'm specifically not encouraging additions to the agenda so we can discuss this important item we couldn't get to last time: F23/F24 Workstation planning: * What will we do to take developer experience to the next level? * What changes will we make to the PRD to specifically outline plans? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Problems "precision touchpad" Aspire E-11 series (clickpad type)
by Bastián Díaz 08 May '15

08 May '15

Fedora 22 (beta) rawhide Gnome 3.16.1 Aspire E-11 ES1-111M-C6NR Since I'm trying fedora 22, my laptop has presented problems in the recognition and functioning of the ClickPad. First, the ClickPad is not recognized by the system, which is easily solved by changing the BIOS settings to "basic touchpad" (advanced touchpad is defined by default), another solution is to add the line "i8042.nopnp" in GRUB . In either case, after a period of use the cursor goes crazy, moving across the screen. This problem is reported by other users and argue that the cause of the problem is software. The only solution is to turn off/on the Clickpad (fn + F7). This problem is very annoying and though I tried to resolve it with different configurations of Synaptics, I could not find answers to this problem. Does anyone know how to solve it ?, did not want to make a bug report about the ambiguity of the information and which is unable to detect the cause of the problem. I discard hardware problems because the laptop using Windows 8.1 with no problems with the ClickPad. Additional information (sites reporting the problem) http://blog.mdda.net/oss/2014/11/16/acer-e11-es1-111-c3nt-linux/ http://chakraos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=83718%29%20*%20%28http://forums… https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=185329 http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1361 Thanks Bastián Díaz

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