desktop March 2016

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tracker
by Chris Murphy 14 Mar '16

14 Mar '16

Hi, I don't often have to compile things, but today compiling a kernel and I see tracker-* stuff soaking the CPU at 100% for several of these things and piles of messages in the journal. Is there a way to tweak this by default? Maybe have it only index when the computer isn't being used? Maybe not at all when so many temporary changes are happening all at the same time like during compiling? I shouldn't have to know to create an embargoed area within my home directory to keep this tracker thing from going nuts like this. If I should file an upstream RFE let me know what component to set it against, the default behavior is not friendly in my opinion - kinda reminds me of OS X Spotlight. Thanks, -- Chris Murphy

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Upgrades to F24 via dnf
by Michael Catanzaro 12 Mar '16

12 Mar '16

Hi, Seems my effort to deduplicate @gnome-desktop and @fedora-workstation got reverted again, because it breaks upgrades from F23 -> F24 via dnf when @gnome-desktop is not installed, which is the expected and default case. dnf wants to remove all of GNOME because it's no longer present in @fedora-workstation, and @gnome-desktop is not already installed. I don't think we want to continue to maintain these groups separately, it leads to many "bugs" (unexpected differences) between the two groups, with developers accidentally editing one but not the other. So: does anyone have any suggestions to avoid this problem? The best solution I could come up with is to simply tell users to 'sudo dnf install @gnome-desktop' before upgrading with dnf, and list this on the known problems wiki page. Since gnome-software is now our default and expected method for upgrading Fedora Workstation, I think it's OK for there to be some hiccups when upgrading with dnf, but it would still be really nice to have some way to handle this automatically... could we somehow make the one group depend on the other, for instance? How does gnome-software handle this issue? Michael

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f24-backgrounds ready for testing
by Luya Tshimbalanga 11 Mar '16

11 Mar '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello teams, f24-backgrounds package is submitted for testing on F24 repository. At this time of writing the status is on pending. Please let know if there is any bug to address. https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-9506354e5b P.S.: It looks like Softpedia already posted an article related on wallpaper: http://news.softpedia.com/news/fedora-24-linux-default-wallpaper-revealed-t… - -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic & Web Designer E: luya(a)fedoraproject.org W: http://www.coolest-storm.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJW4xITAAoJEF5SgXTYomCaZXwH/RsocnjdA10acJNDOdACZANO rvWHtJaS6ZnqP2cfBf5QsESZ2xpaS+c+0PGkbNXqsymJzGitULtC0TXTteVD0mFs swJu8dYupPpMXkjHv8lLkgxwELrctfxgpYvkPHVX5hss0w4C/pnUL3FyiUtEbqX0 XF2MXpenaL/JZ0RIGN+UwIid5DAdN3/CmmHD/RxLO6mNdz1SokN1Zs737B6jQ0er PmA1ICbyeGp72Tp38pZgTtxe6J2hLmJqdjA4mzUESg/RlmJ1BjI6FEjB/C26Ezn3 Yz6RA0D9i5jHVBtd977C+bit5OREexN1RShcJe0fhrdbj18o8uOESwFYJPEJWD4= =QDCD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Workstation WG special edition meeting recap 2016-Mar-09
by Paul W. Frields 09 Mar '16

09 Mar '16

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-09/workstation.201… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-09/workstation.201… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-09/workstation.201… * * * ================================================= #fedora-meeting: Workstation WG (Special Edition) ================================================= Meeting started by stickster at 15:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-09/workstation.201… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 15:00:08) * Wayland (LIMIT: 15 MINUTES) (stickster, 15:03:25) * LINK: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/ (mcatanzaro, 15:05:11) * AGREED: Wayland is not default for F24; freeze exception not needed, thank you halfline for change JIT (stickster, 15:07:58) * Third party software proposal (stickster, 15:09:20) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Third_party_software_proposal (stickster, 15:09:40) * cschaller provided this draft with notes from other WG members, but it's not complete yet (stickster, 15:10:47) * We need a better description of a decision process for configuring sources/repos (stickster, 15:28:28) * IDEA: stickster thinks, after we have this draft in shape, we should be sharing/consulting with Council first since this doc represents change in the way Fedora deals with upstream, which goes quite outside how we build Fedora itself (stickster, 15:29:48) * mcatanzaro notes that the portal definition (which allows xdg-apps to touch resources outside the sandbox) isn't complete, and needs to be before they're usable upstream (stickster, 15:31:18) * ACTION: mclasen try to locate screenshot of *draft* Software implementation of labeling, with understanding it's still under review/change (stickster, 15:43:32) * ACTION: stickster Break out topics of uncertainty in the draft to separate list threads so we can resolve in the draft (stickster, 15:44:15) * ACTION: stickster Go over draft again with an editorial eye to simplify and clarify language (stickster, 15:44:34) * LINK: https://plus.google.com/+RichardHughes/posts/LkctoSAA8EF maybe ? (mclasen, 15:44:43) * This draft will be the subject of future WG agendas, so all WG members' time is needed to review and contribute (stickster, 15:51:10) * Open floor (stickster, 15:51:24) * PulseAudio flat volumes have been disabled in F24 based on Wim's input (stickster, 15:53:33) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267#c27 (stickster, 15:53:36) * ACTION: stickster Put PulseAudio flat volumes on next week's agenda first (stickster, 16:01:03) * ACTION: mcatanzaro to invite some PulseAudio folks to next week's meeting (mcatanzaro, 16:01:07) Meeting ended at 16:02:18 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mclasen try to locate screenshot of *draft* Software implementation of labeling, with understanding it's still under review/change * stickster Break out topics of uncertainty in the draft to separate list threads so we can resolve in the draft * stickster Go over draft again with an editorial eye to simplify and clarify language * stickster Put PulseAudio flat volumes on next week's agenda first * mcatanzaro to invite some PulseAudio folks to next week's meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mcatanzaro * mcatanzaro to invite some PulseAudio folks to next week's meeting * mclasen * mclasen try to locate screenshot of *draft* Software implementation of labeling, with understanding it's still under review/change * stickster * stickster Break out topics of uncertainty in the draft to separate list threads so we can resolve in the draft * stickster Go over draft again with an editorial eye to simplify and clarify language * stickster Put PulseAudio flat volumes on next week's agenda first * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (89) * mcatanzaro (28) * mclasen (17) * otaylor (13) * zodbot (9) * kalev (8) * jwb (8) * rdieter (7) * linuxmodder (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Workstation WG extra meeting 2016-Mar-09
by Paul W. Frields 09 Mar '16

09 Mar '16

Hi gang, just a reminder that we are meeting tomorrow at 1500 UTC (10:00am US-Eastern) to discuss two things: * (briefly, limited to 15min) Wayland default decision for F24 * Software policy proposal for third parties * initial draft now posted here: <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Third_party_software_proposal> -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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F24 Workstation talking points
by Jiri Eischmann 08 Mar '16

08 Mar '16

Hi, I've volunteered to write up F24 Workstation talking points. I've already written a couple of them: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora _24_talking_points Let me know if there is something important missing or if some formulation is not correct. Thanks, Jiri

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2016-Mar-02
by Paul W. Frields 04 Mar '16

04 Mar '16

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-02/workstation.201… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-02/workstation.201… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-02/workstation.201… * * * =============================== #fedora-meeting: Workstation WG =============================== Meeting started by stickster at 15:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-02/workstation.201… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 15:00:03) * PulseAudio flat volumes (stickster, 15:04:33) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267 (stickster, 15:04:53) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267#c2 (stickster, 15:12:49) * ACTION: cschalle_ check in with Wim to move forward his flat-volume fixes upstream, and get estimate on upstreaming (stickster, 15:22:46) * ACTION: mcatanzaro Remind stickster to put this on agenda four weeks out ;-) to revisit (stickster, 15:23:30) * Wayland - user marketing (stickster, 15:23:54) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… (stickster, 15:24:01) * Really the list that mattdm included is roughly all there is to say for general users (stickster, 15:33:55) * Wayland F24 default go/no-go (stickster, 15:38:09) * stickster didn't put this on agenda but makes sense to discuss now so we're clear on what to do for Alpha freeze 2016-Mar-08 (stickster, 15:38:45) * ACTION: mclasen blog on "why Wayland anyway?" (stickster, 15:39:40) * ACTION: stickster crib from aforementioned blog to write up talking point for Marketing/Ambassadors (stickster, 15:39:56) * mclasen advises some blockers remaining, specifically text proto for the onscreen keyboard, and accessibility features remain undone atm (stickster, 15:50:31) * Unresolved on Wayland 24 default (+11: 3, -1: 1, +0: 2) (stickster, 16:03:41) * AGREED: We will resolve this fully next week, in addition to third-party content discussion (stickster, 16:05:42) * AGREED: , default can stay right now but we will be deciding next week on freeze exception to change back to X11, if needed (stickster, 16:06:32) Meeting ended at 16:07:50 UTC. Action Items ------------ * cschalle_ check in with Wim to move forward his flat-volume fixes upstream, and get estimate on upstreaming * mcatanzaro Remind stickster to put this on agenda four weeks out ;-) to revisit * mclasen blog on "why Wayland anyway?" * stickster crib from aforementioned blog to write up talking point for Marketing/Ambassadors Action Items, by person ----------------------- * cschalle_ * cschalle_ check in with Wim to move forward his flat-volume fixes upstream, and get estimate on upstreaming * mcatanzaro * mcatanzaro Remind stickster to put this on agenda four weeks out ;-) to revisit * mclasen * mclasen blog on "why Wayland anyway?" * stickster * mcatanzaro Remind stickster to put this on agenda four weeks out ;-) to revisit * stickster crib from aforementioned blog to write up talking point for Marketing/Ambassadors * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (93) * mclasen (47) * mcatanzaro (46) * cschalle_ (25) * mattdm (24) * kalev (23) * zodbot (16) * otaylor (12) * rdieter (4) * jsmith (3) * davidshea (2) * adamw (1) * kalev-afk (1) * halfline (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Call for agenda for Workstation WG meeting 2016-Mar-02
by Paul W. Frields 02 Mar '16

02 Mar '16

First, I apologize for this late email. For a number of reasons both family-related and dayjob-related, I've been quite behind this past week, which is why the agenda's late. The Workstation WG meeting is scheduled for this Wednesday, 2016-Mar-02 at 1500 UTC (10:00 EST, 15 UTC, 16:00 CEST). This agenda is open for additions/corrections; please send by tomorrow at 14 UTC. * PulseAudio flat volumes -- solicit remaining +/-1 if not found on list yet * User marketing of Wayland re: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… * * * Something not on this list yet is to discuss the concept (and perhaps implementation?) of third party repo support. We've made several strides recently such as OpenH264 and with COPRs that somewhat change the way we can offer additional content to users. But we don't yet have an overarching, strategy based on solid justification that we can sell and pursue in Workstation and beyond. I was hoping we could broach that in this meeting, but I don't think we can do it justice in remaining time. I'd rather call an off-week session to discuss if people are open to that. Christian has done some writing on this and it would be good to get that onto a wiki page and discuss, so we can move toward ratifying/promoting it at the WG level. I need to spend some additional time reviewing the writeup too -- which goes back to my time issues I indicated at top. So would anyone object to my setting up an additional time to look at the topic, say next Wed 10am EST/15 UTC? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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