desktop April 2016

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Versioning Fedora-built xdg-apps and runtimes
by Owen Taylor 26 Apr '16

26 Apr '16

We've been working on the idea that we should have a way to take Fedora RPMs and convert them into xdg-app runtimes and applications; by doing this inside of Koji we would be able to pretty transparently provide a set of xdg-apps for many existing applications in Fedora. (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/BuildingXdgApps tries to work out possible details.) I have an initial prototype of this working with a branch of Koji (https://pagure.io/fork/otaylor/koji/commits/xdg-app, still rough), and that raised some questions to me about around versioning: * How should the fedora runtime be versioned? Is each Fedora release (23,24,25) a separate branch in the repository? (I'm not entirely sure if the "branch" of the runtime the same as "runtime-version" that is part of the xdg-app app metadata?) * What happens if we evolve the Fedora runtime during the development release - say we add a new package to it that we find we are repeatedly bundling into applications. Can we make the behavior for the user better than simply having xdg-apps that rely on the new package in the runtime die with obscure error messages? * How should apps generated from Fedora packages be versioned? Presumably we don’t want each Fedora version to be a branch in this case, since we want automatic updates. Are refs pointing to devel/testing/stable versions are something added post-build into the repository? * We probably will be creating some sort of bundles when we build apps and runtimes in Koji. (This is what my prototype does using the existing xdg-app ostree delta format.) What do we use for filenames for these bundles? The RPM nvr of the application itself doesn't tell the story because of the bundling of dependencies in the application. Is the filename just based off the hash of the xdg-app like ‘eog-f23-d3dafc9cf48.xdgapp’? Do we add a build-serial to make it clear what bundle is newer - e.g. ‘eog-f23-14-d3dafc9cf48.xdgapp’ ? Thanks, Owen

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Third party software
by Paul W. Frields 25 Apr '16

25 Apr '16

We currently have a draft policy for third party software on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Third_party_software_proposal Many of the WG members have probably seen this in an early draft form. I'd like to see if WG members could check over it again and at least indicate here on list if they're generally in agreement with it, so we can start to discuss it with the Council and identify where they might have suggestions. We wouldn't want to do that without some consensus that the WG as a whole is good with it. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Please test f24-backgrounds
by Luya Tshimbalanga 24 Apr '16

24 Apr '16

Hello team, f24-backgrounds now includes supplemental wallpapers in time for the beta release of Fedora 24. Look at the update, test it out and report possible bugs: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-5879f6ba68 -- Luya Tshimbalanga Graphic & Web Designer E: luya(a)fedoraproject.org W: http://www.coolest-storm.net

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hibernation support on the desktop
by Chris Murphy 23 Apr '16

23 Apr '16

This bug is proposed as a Fedora 24 blocker, anaconda component: Laptop does not resume from hibernate, boots instead https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206936 That bug is already 45 comments long and goes back over a year. Hibernation as a subject involves the DE, upower, systemd, kernel, firmware, and the OS installer so a full discussion is massive. I tried to narrow the scope of this to just one central argument which is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1206936#c46 The gist is: If a hibernation image exists, there probably should be a best effort to resume that image to avoid data loss. Right now there is no resume= boot parameter option so if a hibernation image exists it will not be resumed. Should the lack of resume= boot parameter be considered a release blocking bug? This intentionally doesn't answer myriad other questions: when is there a hibernation image; why can that fail; what happens if the hibernation image is there, is resumed, but still fails; whether swap is of sufficient size; whether swap can be on an LVM2 logical volume; the fact Secure Boot enabled currently means hibernation image creation is disabled, etc. I'm considering those out of scope for sanity sake for this particular bug. Quite honestly I'd like to see all the DE's drop hibernation from their GUIs since it's grossly misleading to the user at best, but that too is set aside. The central question is: does the existence of resume= cause more problems than it solves? i.e. is it possible a hibernation image gets loaded, is not invalidated by the kernel, but is somehow non-deterministically unstable such that subsequent corruption or data loss is still decently possible? If that's a yes then I'd say this is not an anaconda blocker but places a significant burden on DE's to disable and hide hibernation UI elements. If hibernation resumption is safer than not resuming, then this is probably a legitimate blocker but I think ultimately that's a judgment call for the folks who turn up to vote at blocker review :-) Thanks, -- Chris Murphy

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Invitation: Fedora Release Tools Demo (Live Broadcast) @ Thu 21 Apr 2016 21:30 - 22:30 (ashwin.hambarde@gmail.com)
by Ashwin Avinash Hambarde 20 Apr '16

20 Apr '16

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Invitation: Fedora Release Tools Demo (Live Broadcast) @ Thu Apr 21, 2016 12pm - 1pm (egriffith92@gmail.com)
by Eric Griffith 19 Apr '16

19 Apr '16

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Invitation: Fedora Release Tools Demo (Live Broadcast) @ Thu Apr 21, 2016 12pm - 1pm (acarter@redhat.com)
by Amanda Carter 19 Apr '16

19 Apr '16

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by Yoshi Tsunoda 18 Apr '16

18 Apr '16

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Call for agenda: Workstation WG meeting 2016-Apr-13
by Paul W. Frields 12 Apr '16

12 Apr '16

The Workstation WG meeting is scheduled for this Wednesday, 2016-Apr-16 at 1400 UTC (10:00 EDT, 15:00 CET). This agenda is open for additions/corrections; please send by tomorrow at 23:59 UTC. * Outcome/follow-ups from initial meeting regarding rel-eng work * Third party software policy next steps * rpm-ostree workstation next steps -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Upcoming Firefox 46 release + magazine article
by Ryan Lerch 12 Apr '16

12 Apr '16

I noticed that there is an upcoming firefox release, with quite an interesting item in the Beta notes[1], which is probably worth writing up a post in the magazine for similar to ones we have done in the past[2][3]. * GTK3 integration (GNU/Linux only) Does anyone know exactly what this GTK3 integration is? cheers, ryanlerch [1] - https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/46.0beta/releasenotes/ [2] - https://fedoramagazine.org/firefox-29-now-available-in-fedora/ [3] - https://fedoramagazine.org/firefox-36-available-in-fedora-21-and-fedora-20/

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