desktop January 2017

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Some performance criticisms of F25
by Michael Catanzaro 09 Jul '17

09 Jul '17

Hi, Jiri found this review (among many) of Fedora 25: http://www.hecticgeek.com/2016/12/fedora-25-review/ It includes a couple recommendations: * We should restore systemd-readahead to speed boot time by ~30% for users without SSDs. Endless has a downstream patch for this. Or we could use Ubuntu's readahead utility. * We should switch from CFQ to deadline I/O scheduler (which Ubuntu has been using for years) for subjective massive responsiveness improvements when the system is under load Of these, the later seems easier to change and more important. Anyone know why we're still using CFQ? If the answer is "it's better for servers" then perhaps we need a mechanism to adjust this on a per- product basis. Just wanted to put these issues back on the radar.... Michael

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[wayland] Applications are unable to grab input
by Christian Stadelmann 20 Apr '17

20 Apr '17

One main difference between x11 and wayland is that in x11 all applications receive all input whereas in wayland the compositor receives input and decides which application may receive it. This causes a major issue with application which need input grab for running or showing a nested desktop. This affects e.g. GUI virtual machines (SPICE clients), RDP clients, VNC clients, nested kwin/gnome-shell/whatever. See also: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1285770 . Games might also be affected, I don't know. I'm posting this here to raise attention because 1. to fix this we need another protocol (extension) 2. this issue can't be fixed in a single application, it needs the whole stack (wayland library, compositors, affected applications) to change Compared to the other bugs in "WaylandRelated" lists [1] [2], these bugs need architecture design, not just fixing bugs in one package. I don't know whether this mailing list is the right place to discuss an issue like this. If you know better, please tell me. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1277927&hide_resolved… [2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=757579&hide_resolved=1

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2017-Jan-30
by Michael Catanzaro 03 Feb '17

03 Feb '17

Only Jens and I were present at the meeting, so we canceled it. We're guessing Devconf was to blame. Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-30/workstation.2… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-30/workstation.2… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-30/workstation.2… ================================= #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG ================================= Meeting started by mcatanzaro at 14:06:17 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-30/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call! (mcatanzaro, 14:06:31) Meeting ended at 14:14:23 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * mcatanzaro (11) * juhp (9) * zodbot (7) * x3mboy (4) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by Paul W. Frields 29 Jan '17

29 Jan '17

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2017-01-30 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 America/New_York At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/5163/

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system-config-users
by Norman L Smith 18 Jan '17

18 Jan '17

The system-config-users tool only works under X. Is it planned for update to run under Wayland or should I submit a bug report? It is a very useful tool.

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Anaconda Install Banner Redesign
by Mary Shakshober 17 Jan '17

17 Jan '17

Hey there, I thought that I had posted about this earlier but the thread doesn't seem to be showing up anywhere so I'm going to put it out here again (apologies if this is coming up for a second time for some of you!). I'm with the Design Team and I've been working on a redesign for the Anaconda install banners and was hoping to get some input about the content/ functionality of what I've got after doing a couple of different iterations based on the design team feedback. I'm attaching a link to the design team ticket for this project so that you can see the progression of the banner. The latest version is the last one posted. If you have any ideas/ comments/ or other feedback feel free to email me at mshaksho(a)redhat.com, comment here, do leave comments right in the design team ticket! Thanks! Mary

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Fedora 26: Request for review of Release Blocking Deliverables
by Jan Kurik 17 Jan '17

17 Jan '17

Hi Desktop/Workstation team, as we are moving forward with Fedora 26 I would like to make sure we have all the deliverables, which might or might not be blocking for the release, identified on time. As such, I would like to ask you to review the list of deliverables the Desktop/Workstation team delivers for Fedora 26 release. The list is available on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/ReleaseBlocking/Fe… . In case you find any discrepancy in the list, feel free to correct it or let me know and I will correct it then. Thanks for your help and Best Regards, Jan -- Jan Kuřík Platform & Fedora Program Manager Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2017-Jan-16
by Paul W. Frields 16 Jan '17

16 Jan '17

Thanks to mcatanzaro for fixing the -ENOAGENDA problem. ;-) Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-16/workstation.2… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-16/workstation.2… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-16/workstation.2… * * * ================================= #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG ================================= Meeting started by stickster at 14:00:06 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-01-16/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call! (stickster, 14:00:14) * MP3 installation (stickster, 14:07:44) * LINK: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?id=5fcf4144a16cea8aac3c… (kalev, 14:11:40) * LINK: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/commit/?id=054d7a3270110dda74b1… (kalev, 14:11:43) * LINK: https://kalev.fedorapeople.org/gnome-software-mp3-1.png (kalev, 14:13:55) * LINK: https://kalev.fedorapeople.org/gnome-software-mp3-2.png (kalev, 14:13:57) * kalev has fixed issue in gnome-software, release rolling shortly; mp3 codec needs an appdata file, will be fixed & reissued soon (stickster, 14:17:20) * SELinux and coredumpctl (stickster, 14:18:03) * ACTION: stickster ping BZ for SELinux issue (stickster, 14:24:42) * ACTION: stickster talk to lvrabec while in Brno, and also see if anything needed from systemd (stickster, 14:25:04) * GRUB screen suggestions (stickster, 14:29:47) * LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6n-2t9aUoM%C2%A0%3F (mcatanzaro, 14:48:35) * LINK: https://youtu.be/x0Eeh-S2voQ?t=10 (mcatanzaro, 14:53:52) * cschalle mclasen_ stickster to include bootsplash/plymouth in branding discussions, this mockup is a nice reference (stickster, 14:56:19) Meeting ended at 14:57:55 UTC. Action Items ------------ * stickster ping BZ for SELinux issue * stickster talk to lvrabec while in Brno, and also see if anything needed from systemd Action Items, by person ----------------------- * stickster * stickster ping BZ for SELinux issue * stickster talk to lvrabec while in Brno, and also see if anything needed from systemd * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (75) * mcatanzaro (62) * kalev (20) * linuxmodder (14) * mclasen_ (13) * zodbot (11) * cschalle (5) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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WG meeting reminder
by Michael Catanzaro 14 Jan '17

14 Jan '17

Hi, A reminder that we have a Workstation WG early morning on Monday. This seems like kinda bad timing, since it's a holiday in the US. But it would be good to make an effort to sign in to IRC for an hour anyway, since the last meeting was six weeks ago and we probably don't want to go eight weeks between meetings. I'd like to discuss an ongoing issue with SELinux blocking our coredumpctl feature. Michael

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Workstation WG call for agenda 2016-Dec-05
by Paul W. Frields 04 Jan '17

04 Jan '17

**NOTE** We will move our meeting to 9:00am US Eastern time (that's 1400 UTC) Monday, 2016-Dec-05. Below are current agenda items I know about. Corrections and additions are welcome; please send them by Sunday evening. In the future I plan to get this agenda out on Wednesday evening before the meeting, with agenda items due by Friday night. * Branding -- cschaller * Christian was to have a proposal ready to walk the WG through and start gathering input. Does this exist yet on the wiki? * coredumpctl -- mcatanzaro * Michael did a Change page for F26. Let's make sure we know what the next steps are so it gets picked up by the wrangler/FESCo, and plan developer contact as needed. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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