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Workstation WG meeting recap 2018-Mar-26
by Paul W. Frields 26 Mar '18

26 Mar '18

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-03-26/workstation.2… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-03-26/workstation.2… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-03-26/workstation.2… * * * ================================= #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG ================================= Meeting started by stickster at 13:00:07 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-03-26/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 13:00:12) * Agenda link: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting (stickster, 13:03:01) * Overall issues link: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open -- if you see something not covered in agenda that should be, speak up now :-) (stickster, 13:03:28) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/41 maybe as well? (kalev, 13:04:08) * Cantarell in F28 (stickster, 13:06:03) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/40 (stickster, 13:06:10) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… has screenshots (kalev, 13:14:21) * LINK: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1058449 (stickster, 13:14:47) * LINK: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/204833#step/disk_custom_ext3/11 is a screenshot that shows some issues (stickster, 13:17:11) * AGREED: Revert to old Cantarell for F28 but leave it be in rawhide, revisit in six months to see if regressions are still unaddressed. (mcatanzaro, 13:32:40) * ACTION: kalev unpush Cantarell update from updates-testing (stickster, 13:33:36) * ACTION: otaylor mclasen aday discuss Cantarell/text-stack issues with madigens, involve and/or jimmac as needed (stickster, 13:35:48) * Initial setup redundancy (stickster, 13:37:38) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/21 (stickster, 13:37:46) * AGREED: give juhp[m] a few days to look into the g-i-s patch with epico and report back (stickster, 13:43:10) * All other business (open floor) (stickster, 13:43:29) * kalev is listed as chair for April 9 (stickster, 13:44:49) * Need to resolve the question of repo to carry, whether to do for F28/F29, possible update path issues (stickster, 14:06:26) Meeting ended at 14:06:40 UTC. Action Items ------------ * kalev unpush Cantarell update from updates-testing * otaylor mclasen aday discuss Cantarell/text-stack issues with madigens, involve and/or jimmac as needed Action Items, by person ----------------------- * aday * otaylor mclasen aday discuss Cantarell/text-stack issues with madigens, involve and/or jimmac as needed * kalev * kalev unpush Cantarell update from updates-testing * mclasen * otaylor mclasen aday discuss Cantarell/text-stack issues with madigens, involve and/or jimmac as needed * otaylor * otaylor mclasen aday discuss Cantarell/text-stack issues with madigens, involve and/or jimmac as needed * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (68) * mcatanzaro (38) * mclasen (34) * juhp[m] (23) * cschalle (22) * otaylor (18) * kwizart (17) * kalev (16) * zodbot (15) * aday (14) * rdieter (11) * ryanlerch (6) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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SElinux bug in F28 Atomic Workstation
by Dusty Mabe 26 Mar '18

26 Mar '18

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1559531 This bug prevents FAW from starting the desktop environment. If you want Atomic Workstation for F28 beta then that bug needs to be fixed ASAP. It would be a shame to miss this opportunity from a marketing perspective. Dusty

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atomic workstation, how to troubleshoot slow downloads
by Chris Murphy 26 Mar '18

26 Mar '18

Hi, I'm seeing seemingly unusually slow downloads with an ostree repo that I don't see with koji when downloading ISOs. It starts around 8-9MB/s but quickly tanks to well below 1MB/s while still receiving objects. This smells like ISP traffic shaping but I don't know why that would be the case or how to prove it. Whereas koji ISO (and dnf rpm) downloads consistently remain in the 8-9MB/s range. [root@localhost sysroot]# ostree --repo=/ostree/repo pull fedora-ws-27:fedora/27/x86_64/workstation GPG: Verification enabled, found 1 signature: Signature made Sat 24 Mar 2018 04:12:34 PM MDT using RSA key ID F55E7430F5282EE4 Good signature from "Fedora 27 <fedora-27(a)fedoraproject.org>" Receiving objects: 13% (11760/87920) 118.0 kB/s 172.4 MB I'm not sure how long this will take, maybe 10 hours or 10 days. The -v flag doesn't present the URL being used. For delta downloads this probably isn't such a big deal, but for an initial download it's a problem. Thanks, -- Chris Murphy

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GNOME 3.28 test day today in #fedora-test-day
by Kalev Lember 26 Mar '18

26 Mar '18

It's GNOME 3.28 test day over in #fedora-test-day on Freenode today that QA set up. Would be awesome if some more people could join! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2018-03-26_Gnome_3.28_Test_Day -- Kalev

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2018-03-26 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 28 Blocker Review Meeting
by Adam Williamson 24 Mar '18

24 Mar '18

# F28 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2018-03-26 # Time: 16:00 UTC # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net Hi folks! We have several proposed blockers and freeze exception issues to review, so let's have a review meeting on Monday. If you have time this weekend, you can take a look at the proposed or accepted blockers before the meeting - the full lists can be found here: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/ . We'll be evaluating these bugs to see if they violate any of the Release Criteria and warrant the blocking of a release if they're not fixed. Information on the release criteria for F28 can be found on the wiki [0]. For more information about the Blocker and Freeze exception process, check out these links: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process And for those of you who are curious how a Blocker Review Meeting works - or how it's supposed to go and you want to run one - check out the SOP on the wiki: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting Have a good weekend and see you on Monday! [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net

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3rd Party software submission
by Christian Fredrik Schaller 24 Mar '18

24 Mar '18

Hi guys, So I kicked off adding 3rd party applications to Fedora Workstation 28, by submitting two tickets proposing NVidia driver and Steam. There are basically two pages to look at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Third_party_software_policies?rd… And the practical guide for proposing an application at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Third_party_software_Workstation… The second link includes a proposal template for adding apps. The vehicle for proposing applications is the working group pagure instance. I would recommend people to go over the requirements and work with 3rd parties to propose further applications to include. We accept package proposals that are either in RPM or Flatpak format. Also we have a detailed howto created for how to create your repository technically ready for inclusion in Fedora, but it needs a little more work to get online, but Paul Frields is working on that and hopefully we will get it resolved soon. Christian

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by stickster＠gmail.com 24 Mar '18

24 Mar '18

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2018-03-26 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 America/New_York At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: [https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting](https… Chair: * Monday Feb 12 - Michael Catanzaro * Monday Feb 26 - Matthias Clasen * Monday Mar 12 - Rex Dieter * Monday Mar 26 - Paul Frields * Monday Apr 09 - Kalev Lember * Monday Apr 23 - Ryan Lerch * Monday May 07 - Jens Petersen * Monday May 21 - Christian Schaller * Monday Jun 04 - Owen Taylor More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/6411/

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Re: The new gnome-software update with "third party repositories" support
by Ankur Sinha 23 Mar '18

23 Mar '18

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 10:47:37 +0100, Kalev Lember wrote: > Hi, Hello, > > Thanks for starting the discussion, Ankur! I was just about to send a > request for testing to the test list. Ah - sorry. I was slightly overzealous here XD <snip> > > More replies in-line down below: > > On 03/18/2018 01:28 PM, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > - Clicking "enable" should tell the user what repositories were made > > available for activation. Open up the "software sources" dialogue > > straight-away, maybe? > > Good point. I'll talk to aday (gnome-software designer) and discuss > this. We were polishing the new software repositories dialog a lot, but > the notification that appears on the overview page didn't get that much > love. I'll see what we can do; maybe just disable the notification for now. Thank you! Would it also be possible to use a different term than "Third party repositories" in the software repositories dialogue? What's happening now is that the repositories from the fedora-workstation-repositories package come under "Third party repositories" accompanied by the notice on how some of these may be proprietary, and other third party repositories that users may have enabled themselves, such as Adobe/Dropbox/RPMFusion are coming up in a separate section. This isn't quite intuitive---it almost gives one the feeling that the latter are not "third party". > > > - The "find out more" link goes to the wikipedia page on properietary > > software, which is frankly useless. The Fedora Forbidden items would > > be a better page[2]. I would think the Forbidden Items page should > > require a section explaining what Gnome-software is doing here. The > > ideal scenario would be a special page that describes the individual > > repositories that are included in the fedora-workstation-repositories > > package. It should be a page that clearly speaks about free-software, > > and Fedora's commitment to it. I.e., it must educate users about the > > matter, and say "if you must use software that is not free/open > > source, you can do so here." > > Yes, we are supposed to get a new docs page for this. I'll talk to > mattdm and see how far we are with this. I'll make sure we update the > link before pushing it out to stable. I see this is up at the moment. It isn't updated, though (A ticket has been filed for Nvidia repositories etc already but I didn't want to update the page myself because I'm not completely sure of the complete process at the moment) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Third_party_software_list I would really like whatever page we link to to have a clear, end-user targeted summary of free software and our commitment to it right at the top, and then possibly a rationale as to why we're making it easy for users to install some very commonly used proprietary software to improve usability. I think this is an excellent opportunity to explain to end-users the importance of free-software, and let them make an informed decision on whether they want to use this set of proprietary software even if we're giving them easy access to it. (I do expect some will query why all of RPMFusion cannot be included, so maybe that will need to be addressed in short too.) > > > - And of course, can RPMFusion repositories be included here too if > > we're happy to include Google's software? > > Please open a ticket on https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation -- I don't > know the exact process how to add new repos, but I believe opening a > ticket there would be a start. Yeh. I'm following the discussion on the Nvidia ticket now: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/37 > > I didn't want to comment on the update. Where would the right place to > > discuss this be? > > desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org please. Lovely. I've (re-)subscribed to the list and am sending my reply there too, so that this thread can continue there. One last thing: I'm not too well versed with how the Changes process works, but shouldn't this quite major new feature be announced to the community similar to the other changes? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Policy -- Thanks again, Regards, Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD" https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

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GTK test with koji
by Takao Fujiwara 23 Mar '18

23 Mar '18

I'd like to have GTK tests with koji and rpmbuild but I cannot get the focus-in event during the koji build. I referred the wiki page. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/GraphicalTests Added BuildRequires of xorg-x11-server-Xvfb and gtk3-devel in my spec file. +BuildRequires: xorg-x11-server-Xvfb +BuildRequires: gtk3-devel Added the run program in %check in my spec file. +gcc -o test %SOURCE1 `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-3.0` -g +xvfb-run ./test Do you have any ideas? I added the following test code. -------- >8 =============== #include <gtk/gtk.h> #define TEST_STR "test" static void entry_focus_in_event_cb (GtkEntry *entry, gpointer user_data) { g_warning ("FOCUS_IN"); gtk_entry_set_text (entry, TEST_STR); } static void buffer_inserted_text_cb (GtkEntryBuffer *buffer, guint position, const gchar *chars, guint n_chars, gpointer user_data) { g_warning ("INSERTED_TEXT"); g_assert_cmpstr (chars, ==, TEST_STR); gtk_main_quit (); } int main (int argc, char* argv[]) { GtkWidget *window; GtkWidget *box; GtkWidget *entry; GtkEntryBuffer *buffer; gtk_init (&argc, &argv); window = gtk_window_new (GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL); box = gtk_box_new (GTK_ORIENTATION_VERTICAL, 0); gtk_container_add (GTK_CONTAINER (window), box); entry = gtk_entry_new (); g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (entry), "focus-in-event", G_CALLBACK (entry_focus_in_event_cb), NULL); buffer = gtk_entry_get_buffer (GTK_ENTRY (entry)); g_signal_connect (G_OBJECT (buffer), "inserted-text", G_CALLBACK (buffer_inserted_text_cb), NULL); gtk_container_add (GTK_CONTAINER (box), entry); gtk_widget_show_all (window); gtk_main (); return 0; } ------------- >8 ======================

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auto-suspending after video playback ends (and other cases)
by Kamil Paral 20 Mar '18

20 Mar '18

I think this is really important so I created a standalone thread for this. Currently the system auto-suspends immediately after an app releases an idle lock, if the lock duration was longer than the suspend timeout. So e.g. after having watched a TV series episode in a movie player, or in a web browsers. The bugs reports are here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705942 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-settings-daemon/issues/14 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1556790 This is very user unfriendly. However, I don't think it constitutes a blocker from QA point of view, it's just a very annoying default behavior. So, I'm writing this mail so that it doesn't slip your attention, and because Fedora Workstation SIG is the body to decide whether we want to release F28 in this state or not. As a personal opinion, I think this was rather quickly committed without really thinking deep about the side-effects or testing it in a real-world usage for some time (this bug is a clear demonstration of that). I'd rather have this disabled for F28 and announced as a change for F29, so that we can properly test all the corner cases in advance and try to fix them. For example, has anyone tested: a) whether downloading files in Firefox will inhibit suspend or the downloads will be aborted during progress? b) whether DNF inhibits suspend during operation or $scary_consequences? c) whether Rhythmbox inhibits suspend when playing music? d) whether gnome-disks inhibits suspend while operating on devices (e.g. writing a disk clone, or checking SMART)? e) whether Pitivi inhibits suspend while rendering video? f) whether Nautilus inhibits suspend while copying files (possibly to even a remote location)? All of these should inhibit suspend, but not idle. And there's surely so many more. This change would be an ideal candidate for a test day. Of course, we can still do it in this cycle, but the time is running short and I'm very skeptical that the app authors will be able to fix the apps in time. What is the opinion of Fedora Workstation SIG?

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