desktop January 2020

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14 Jan, 14:30 UTC, official agenda
by Chris Murphy 14 Jan '20

14 Jan '20

Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ 1. Roll call 2. Approve previous meeting minutes. Please review for corrections. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… 3. Announcements - Chair expected to announce a carefully coordinated dual use strategy for Pagure and Taiga. 4. Workstation WG vacancy https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/122 5. Consideration of earlyoom by default in Fedora 32 https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/119 Previous meeting: Langon says WG should have a position. Allen says a shorter hang, that's still too long, isn't much of a solution. In the issue: Michael says the issue is being worked on elsewhere, consider pulling the feature. Possibilities: Working group supports the earlyoom by default proposal for F32. Working group supports withdrawing the earlyoom proposal. Working group has no opinion; needs further discussion; needs to invite guest speakers (subject experts); prefers to leave it up to FESCo. 6. Consideration to review video vs IRC meetings https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/113 We've had a few video meetings now. Let's take a temperature reading. Possibilities: Continue with video. Revert to IRC. Alternate video/IRC. Choose next meeting venue at the end of each meeting? Other? 7. Next week's agenda? 8. Open floor -- Chris Murphy

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 13 Jan '20

13 Jan '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-01-14 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9652/

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14 Jan, 14:30 UTC, preliminary agenda for next meeting
by Chris Murphy 12 Jan '20

12 Jan '20

Reminder! We're meeting on Tuesdays now! 1. Roll call 2. Approve previous meeting minutes. Please review for corrections: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… 3. Announcements 4. Workstation WG vacancy 5. Consideration of earlyoom by default in Fedora 32 6. Consideration to review video vs IRC meetings I will send a detailed version in the official agenda, so everyone can be prepared prior to the meeting. Please reply to this email, or reply to either Allen or me privately, with ideas for additional agenda items for us to consider. Thanks! -- Chris Murphy

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Changing of the guard
by Christian Fredrik Schaller 09 Jan '20

09 Jan '20

Hi everyone, So first of all sorry for being a little AWOL lately, but I took a much needed Month of vacation in December to recharge my batteries and attend some family events. So the background for this email is that we changed how the Red Hat internal desktop effort operates quite a bit over the last year and I think the time has come for those changes to also be reflected in how we interact with the wider community. So while I am not changing position inside Red Hat, I will still be managing our desktop, graphics and i18n effort, we now have Tomas Popela set up as our Fedora and RHEL Workstation Product Owner and thus I want to announce that I will step down from the Fedora Workstation Working group effective immediately and at the same time strongly recommend that Tomas Popela replaces me on the working group. Tomas should be able to be a strong link between Red Hats internal efforts and planning around the Linux Desktop and help combine that with the helping with the Fedora community efforts happening as part of the Fedora Workstation Working Group. Rest assured that though I will stay involved and plan to continue my active blogging and doing other types outreach around the Fedora Workstation effort, even if my involvement with the Working Group will be a little more indirect going forward. Sincerely, Christian Schaller

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Help test GNOME 3.34.3 update
by Kalev Lember 09 Jan '20

09 Jan '20

Hi all, The 3.34.3 update, https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2020-194da76ba0 is now in updates testing. It's a fairly small update this time around, mostly gnome-shell/mutter fixes + a bunch of leaf apps getting translation updates. If you have time, please install it from updates-testing and give it a quick spin and provide karma feedback in bodhi so we can move it to stable. Thanks! Kalev

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Meeting notes: Workstation WG, 6 Jan 2020
by Allan Day 06 Jan '20

06 Jan '20

Hi all; see below for today's meeting notes. Thanks, Allan -- # Fedora Workstation WG meeting, 6 January 2020, 9:00 EST ## Attendance - Present: Allan, Chris, Neal, Michael, Langdon, Matthias, Jens - Missing: Kalev, Christian ## Agenda ### Permanent chair issue - #114 - Chris, Michael and Allan have volunteered. Michael proposes that we appoint Chris as chair and Allan as vice-chair, until F32 - The vice-chair will be responsible for meeting minutes and publishing. If the vice-chair is chairing the meeting, a secretary will be named for that meeting. - Proposed: vice-chair to serve as secretary unless the chair is unavailable, in which case a temporary secretary will be selected while the vice-chair fills in. - Do we want to use Etherpad for notes and then publish through Zodbot? Langdon describes some advantages of Zodbot. ACTION: Allan will look into it. - Do we want to publish video recordings of the meetings? Various views; in the end we decide to wait and see if anyone requests them. ### New meeting time - #118 - Due to time zones and members' existing commitments, the current options are: 7:30 EST (any day); 9:30-11 (T, W, Th) - ACTION: Michael to send out a poll with these options ### Taiga and/vs Pagure #112 - Some reservations about having issue tracking across two systems - potential for duplication of information and conversations happening in two places. - Some opposing views: - Neal: there are benefits to curating a Kanban - so it doesn't get backed up with massive numbers of potential work items. - Langdon & Allan: Taiga as a transient work view - an extra layer of management. Shouldn't have the same material as the Pagure issues. - Langdon: avoiding duplication will require work and maybe some corrective action if we stray from the path - The decision is to let the chair decide. Chris is happy to try Taiga and see how it goes. ### Enabling earlyoom by default - #119 - Background: - earlyoom is being proposed for F32 as a partial solution to systems locking up due to memory shortages (the classic swap system lock-up) - earlyoom finds the process that's causing the memory issue and sigterms it (slightly kinder than just killing it). This will typically return the system to a usable state in a couple of minutes. - Matthias: the real issue is the kernel's swap implementation being too slow. Neal: it seems that the kernel people aren't interested in working on this. - earlyoom is not a great/complete solution, but it will help. - Chris has some concerns about earlyoom being adequately tested. - The work in #98 will help - Neal: earlyoom will be a stability improvement. The potential problem is it killing processes prematurely/unnecessarily. With earlyoom we can reduce the default swap size. - Langdon: you need to have a large swap for hibernate to work. Neal: earlyoom could break hiberate (?) Chris: there's some related discussion in #120. - earlyoom is being raised so that people are aware of it. Langdon: the WG should have a position on the change proposal. - Allan: a two minute hang isn't much of a solution from a UX perspective - a lot of users will give up and do a hard reboot within that time. There's some interest in using hibernation more extensively; earlyoom could be an issue if it makes that harder.

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Reminder and conference link: Workstation WG meeting, 6 Jan
by Allan Day 06 Jan '20

06 Jan '20

Hi everyone, The Workstation WG is scheduled to have its next meeting on Monday 6th January, at 9:00 US/Eastern. We agreed last meeting to use Bluejeans for this one. The link is: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ Langdon is scheduled to chair. Feel the power, Langdon! Thanks, Allan

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 05 Jan '20

05 Jan '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-01-06 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 US/Eastern At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Sep 30 - Michael Catanzaro * Oct 14 - Matthias Clasen * Oct 28 - Allan Day * Nov 11 - Neal Gompa * Nov 25 - Kalev Lember * Dec 9 - Chris Murphy * Jan 13 - Jens Petersen * Jan 27 - Christian Schaller * Feb 10 - Owen Taylor * Feb 24 - Langdon White More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9624/

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 05 Jan '20

05 Jan '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-01-06 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 US/Eastern At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Sep 30 - Michael Catanzaro * Oct 14 - Matthias Clasen * Oct 28 - Allan Day * Nov 4 - Neal Gompa * Nov 11 - No meeting - Veteran's Day * Nov 18 - Kalev Lember * Nov 25 - Chris Murphy * Dec 2 - Jens Petersen * Dec 9 - Christian Schaller * Dec 16 - Owen Taylor * Dec 23 - No meeting * Dec 30 - No meeting * Jan 6 - Langdon White More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9652/

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