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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 12 May
by Chris Murphy 12 May '20

12 May '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-05-12) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 01:35:58 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-05-13/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 01:36:23) * present: cmurf, aday, tpopela, neal, mcatanzaro, jens, mclasen, langdon, owen, ernestas, feborges, james (cmurf, 01:36:25) * regrets: (cmurf, 01:36:27) * missing: kalev (cmurf, 01:36:29) * Approve 5 May minutes (cmurf, 01:36:31) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-05-06/workstation.2… (cmurf, 01:36:33) * AGREED: Approved - no objections (cmurf, 01:36:35) * Announcements (cmurf, 01:36:37) * F32 retrospective, and appoint chairs for F33 cycle (cmurf, 01:36:43) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/141 (cmurf, 01:36:45) * AGREED: cmurf and aday to chair/co-chair for F33 (cmurf, 01:36:51) * Give ABRT some love (cmurf, 01:36:53) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/130 (cmurf, 01:36:55) * Some of the issues in the list aren't easy to fix. There are plans to rearchitect ABRT. (cmurf, 01:37:13) * Asked Ernestas to keep WG informed of progress (cmurf, 01:37:31) * Automatically adding new packages when upgrading (cmurf, 01:37:33) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/138 (cmurf, 01:37:35) * Related issues #60, #66, #88 (cmurf, 01:37:37) * ACTION: Neal to followup with Daniel Mach to see if there are any developments on the DNF side (cmurf, 01:37:45) * ACTION: Michael to add a recommends for something or other (cmurf, 01:37:47) * Default disk partitioning layout for Workstation (cmurf, 01:37:49) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/54 (cmurf, 01:37:51) * Brief discussion whether to consider Btrfs by default among other options. Ran out of time. No decision. (cmurf, 01:38:13) Meeting ended at 01:38:36 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Neal to followup with Daniel Mach to see if there are any developments on the DNF side * Michael to add a recommends for something or other Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Neal to followup with Daniel Mach to see if there are any developments on the DNF side * Michael to add a recommends for something or other People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (60) * zodbot (7) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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12 May, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 12 May '20

12 May '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-05-12 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - Approve 5 May minutes https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-05-06/workstation.2… - Announcements - Follow-ups #141 F32 retrospective, and appoint chairs for F33 cycle https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/141 - Topics #138 automatically adding new packages when upgrading https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/138 Related issues #60,#66,#88 #130 Give ABRT some ❤ https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/130 #54 Default disk partitioning layout for Workstation https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/54 -- Chris Murphy

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 11 May '20

11 May '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-05-12 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9652/

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kernel-modules-extra in desktop live spins
by Justin Forbes 06 May '20

06 May '20

It came to my attention today that the kernel-modules-extra package is included in the live spins. It has been for quite some time from what I can tell. I was just wondering if this was intentional, or if there was some reasoning behind it. It is expected that kernel-modules-extra should not be required on most systems. Justin

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 5 May
by Chris Murphy 06 May '20

06 May '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-05-05) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 05:02:04 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-05-06/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 05:02:26) * present: cmurf, aday, mcatanzaro, langdon, neal, tpopela, mclasen, kalev, jens, feborges, james (cmurf, 05:02:29) * regrets: (cmurf, 05:02:31) * missing: owen (cmurf, 05:02:33) * Approve 28 Apr minutes (cmurf, 05:02:35) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-04-30/workstation.2… (cmurf, 05:02:37) * AGREED: No objections - approved (cmurf, 05:02:39) * Announcements (cmurf, 05:02:41) * No announcements (cmurf, 05:02:43) * Follow-ups (cmurf, 05:02:45) * issue#140 (cmurf, 05:02:47) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/140 (cmurf, 05:02:49) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@lists.fedoraproject.org/… (cmurf, 05:02:55) * image size can be whatever WG wants; QA and releng are agreeable to the 'image review test day' idea; needs owner (cmurf, 05:02:57) * Approve filtered view of flathub as third-party repo? (cmurf, 05:02:59) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/108 (cmurf, 05:03:01) * Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps (cmurf, 05:03:17) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125#comment-644039 (cmurf, 05:03:19) * No conclusions here yet (cmurf, 05:03:27) * F32 retrospective, and appoint chair for F33 cycle (cmurf, 05:03:29) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/141 (cmurf, 05:03:31) * Deferred to next meeting. (cmurf, 05:03:33) Meeting ended at 05:03:44 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (38) * zodbot (7) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, April 28
by Michael Catanzaro 05 May '20

05 May '20

Fedora Workstation WG meeting Minutes should be digestible by Meetbot ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Guide#MeetBot_Commands ) Minutes #startmeeting Workstation WG (2020-04-28) #meetingname workstation #chair cmurf #topic Rollcall #info present: cmurf, tpopela, aday, mclasen, otaylor, mcatanzaro, jens, kalev, james, feborges, link #info regrets: neal #info missing: langdon #topic Approve minutes of 14 & 21 April #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-04-21/workstation.2… #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-04-24/workstation.2… #agreed Approved - no objections #topic Announcements F32 release day Fedora on Lenovo laptops; potential implications for the working group: #link https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ - First boot (initial setup as the first thing the user sees, rather than Anaconda) - need to ensure that either language selection is displayed in initial setup or ensure that the correct keyboard layout is predefined for the locale. Some digging required here. It might be good to track that. - ACTION: Michael to investigate. - Disk encryption - how to enable/reprovision? #topic Status reports Chris is 60% through swap on zram proposal; is currently summarising the hibernation issue #topic F32 retrospective, and appoint chair for F33 cycle #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/141 #info Review F32 cycle, WG organizational and meeting format changes. Chair and co-chair nominations. #topic Meeting format Chris would appreciate feedback on the meeting format. Michael: thinks that things are going well. Thinks that video has been a success. 6 month chair seems good; thinks that Chris has been doing a good job. Allan: posted his feedback in the ticket (as did Chris and Tomas). Kalev: not happy at all. Would prefer IRC meetings. Chris: could we have an IRC meeting every month? Kalev: or a video meeting every month, and IRC at other times? Matthias: we have IRC all the time. Non-weekly meetings are difficult, calendar-wise. #agreed Continue the discussion on the ticket. #topic Chair/co-chair duration Kalev: 6 months is too long; would prefer 2/3 months, and the chair can choose the meeting format Chris: perhaps that suggestion could be combined with Allan's idea of the chair delegating more duties #topic Nominations Chris would be happy to do it, and perhaps delegate more Allan is happy to carry on as co-chair, would quite like not to do the minutes any more Allan: we have some long-running initiatives which Chris has been leading, which it would be good to resolve for F33. Chris: isn't sure he needs to be chair for that. Michael is happy for Chris to carry on as chair. So is Allan. Chris invites others to put themselves forward as nominees. Kalev is interested, but only if we use IRC. Would change the direction - would focus on getting Flathub preinstalled instead of disk encryption. Also which apps are preinstalled. Some discussion about enabling Flathub by default - see ticket #108 #topic Encryption of system and user data #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/136 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/82 Discuss short term encryption plan (full disk encryption as it exists today in the installer, which encrypts both system and user data). Last week Lennart and Ray joined us to talk about homed. Ray might report back next week on systemd-homed. It's currently unclear whether systemd-homed is a short-term prospect or a long-term prospect. Question about setting up recovery keys - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/136#comment-643926 Michael & Matthias: how is a recovery password useful, if you can just forget that one as well? Owen: the fact that it's a recovery password indicates to people that they need a good record of it. Allan: would like to evaluate the full range of issues/requirements in relation to full disk encryption, not just this issue alone. How does this approach to password recovery compare to other approaches? Michael: we should invite people from fedora-devel to participate in the discussion. #action: michael to do this. Jens: what about root password? (as recovery key?) #topic Blocking on user switching #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/139 What are the parameters by which loss of function should or should not be release blocking? Is it right to block a release on this? Kalev: yes. We have the engineers to fix it. Matthias: depends on how relevant user switching is to us. Allan: there are some multiuser cases where it would be nice if Fedora was appropriate - small labs/offices. Kalev: shared computers at home are relevant too. Allan: other question is how bad the fail state is - does it just not work, or does it bring down the session/system, etc? #agreed User switching should be a release blocker; we're happy for QA to decide on the exact wording. #action Chris to communicate the decision to QA #topic Workstation Live image is oversize #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/140 Chris: what's the process we want to determine the image size? Kalev: if we want to stick to 2GB, we will need to cut some packages. We're very close to the limit - not much room for manoeuvre. Owen: if we change the limit to 4GB, we wouldn't have any other process to keep the size down. This could imply that we should only increase the limit a small amount. The alternative would be to schedule a size review each development cycle. Matthias: it could be a package review rather than size review - to see what changes have been made. Kalev: it would be good to do this around the same time as the test day. Owen: that might not give us a lot of time to resolve engineering issues. Kalev: yes, we should have the test day before the beta, to give us enough time before the beta release. Chris: would like to review which services are started, too. #action Chris will ask release engineering and QA for their input, and we'll work out the details next week #topic Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125 #info Deferred #endmeeting

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Call For Test Days for Fedora 33!
by Sumantro Mukherjee 04 May '20

04 May '20

Hi Fedora users, developers and friends! It's time to start thinking about Test Days for Fedora 33. For anyone who isn't aware, a Test Day is an event usually focused around IRC for interaction and a Wiki page for instructions and results, with the aim being to get a bunch of interested users and developers together to test a specific feature or area of the distribution. You can run a Test Day on just about anything for which it would be useful to do some fairly focused testing in 'real time' with a group of testers; it doesn't have to be code, for instance, we often run Test Days for l10n/i18n topics. For more information on Test Days, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days . Anyone who wants to can host their own Test Day, or you can request that the QA group helps you out with organization or any combination of the two. To propose a Test Day, just file a ticket in fedora-qa pagure - here's an example https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/624 . For instructions on hosting a Test Day, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management . You can see the schedule at https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issues?tags=test+days . There are many slots open right now. Consider the development schedule, though, in deciding when you want to run your Test Day - for some topics you may want to avoid the time before the Beta release or the time after the feature freeze or the Final Freeze. We normally aim to schedule Test Days on Thursdays; however, if you want to run a series of related Test Days, it's often a good idea to do something like Tuesday / Wednesday / Thursday of the same week (this is how we usually run the X Test Week, for instance). If all the Thursday slots fill up but more people want to run Test Days, we will open up Tuesday slots as overflows. And finally, if you really want to run a Test Day in a specific time frame due to the development schedule, but the Thursday slot for that week is full, we can add a slot on another day. We're flexible! Just put in your ticket the date or time frame you'd like, and we'll figure it out from there. If you don't want to run your own Test Day, but you are willing to help with another, feel free to join one or more of already accepted Test Days: Fedora Media Writer Test Day* GNOME Test Day i18n Test Day* Kernel Test Week* Upgrade Test Day* And don't be afraid, there are a lot of more slots available for your own Test Day! [*] These are the test days we run generally to make sure everything is working fine, the dates get announced as we move into the release cycle. If you have any questions about the Test Day process, please don't hesitate to contact me or any member of the Fedora QA team on test at lists.fedoraproject.org or in #fedora-qa on IRC. Thanks! Best Regards, Sumantrom Fedora QE

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5 May, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 04 May '20

04 May '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-05-05 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - Approve 28 Apr minutes https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-04-30/workstation.2… - Announcements - Follow-ups - Topics #82 encryption of user data (excludes system) https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/82 Tentative, pending guest availability. #125 Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125#comment-644039 #141 F32 retrospective, and appoint chair for F33 cycle https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/141 Openfloor -- Chris Murphy

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 04 May '20

04 May '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-05-05 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9652/

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