Hi all,
One thing i didnt see on the roadmap, but would be definitely useful for our users would be a way to notify users that a new version of Fedora Workstaion is available, and provide an easy way for them to kick of a fedup upgrade without having to use the command line.
One other thing that might be useful here is a notification for users telling them when the version they are using is going EOL, and that no more updates will be provided for their version, and then providing them the same GUI to upgrade.
cheers, ryanlerch
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 09:39:21AM -0500, Ryan Lerch wrote:
One thing i didnt see on the roadmap, but would be definitely useful for our users would be a way to notify users that a new version of Fedora Workstaion is available, and provide an easy way for them to kick of a fedup upgrade without having to use the command line.
Agreed — I think it'd be nice to have this integrated into the software center.
On 16 December 2014 at 17:09, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Agreed — I think it'd be nice to have this integrated into the software center.
From a notification point of view there's already PK API to do that;
I'd need some designs and UX from jimmac/aday before I can add anything tho. Actually performing the upgrade as a GUI isn't something I'm interested in doing; I've been burned before.
Richard.
On Tue, 2014-12-16 at 17:14 +0000, Richard Hughes wrote:
From a notification point of view there's already PK API to do that; I'd need some designs and UX from jimmac/aday before I can add anything tho. Actually performing the upgrade as a GUI isn't something I'm interested in doing; I've been burned before.
I think our goal should just be to handle the upgrade without ever forcing the user to the command line. Maybe this can be handled similar to how offline updates work today?
On 12/16/2014 12:09 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 09:39:21AM -0500, Ryan Lerch wrote:
One thing i didnt see on the roadmap, but would be definitely useful for our users would be a way to notify users that a new version of Fedora Workstaion is available, and provide an easy way for them to kick of a fedup upgrade without having to use the command line.
Agreed — I think it'd be nice to have this integrated into the software center.
I'm not 100% sure about it being in the Software app interface itself. It might be kind of hard to keep it separate from updates in the UI there -- especially for something that is only used once every six months or so.
Maybe having an "upgrade" button in the details screen in the control center, and notifications when a newer version is available will be enough.
I'll try to come up with some mockups for how this will look (and also some mockups for how it might work in Software too)
cheers, ryanlerch
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 02:14:59PM -0500, Ryan Lerch wrote:
I'm not 100% sure about it being in the Software app interface itself. It might be kind of hard to keep it separate from updates in the UI there -- especially for something that is only used once every six months or so.
I can see that. My main thinking is that Software already has "system updates" — it'd be nice to get to the point where Fedora upgrades are "big system update!" from a users' perspective.
Maybe having an "upgrade" button in the details screen in the control center, and notifications when a newer version is available will be enough.
When a release is completely EOL, would it be possible to have a notification that is persistant in some way? Not necessarily in the shell chrome (too much?), but maybe whenever you go to Software. Or maybe "All Settings" — could the Details icon change to show an alert, or gain a visual flag in some way?
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 02:14:59PM -0500, Ryan Lerch wrote:
I'm not 100% sure about it being in the Software app interface itself. It might be kind of hard to keep it separate from updates in the UI there -- especially for something that is only used once every six months or so.
I can see that. My main thinking is that Software already has "system updates" -- it'd be nice to get to the point where Fedora upgrades are "big system update!" from a users' perspective.
Maybe having an "upgrade" button in the details screen in the control center, and notifications when a newer version is available will be enough.
When a release is completely EOL, would it be possible to have a notification that is persistant in some way? Not necessarily in the shell chrome (too much?), but maybe whenever you go to Software. Or maybe "All Settings" -- could the Details icon change to show an alert, or gain a visual flag in some way?
I'm not a huge fan of this. It reminds me greatly of the notifications that e.g. McAfee continuously pops up on Windows when your virus definitions are out of date. Not without good reason (and similar reasons), but really really annoying. Some people will want to stick with an EOL release for whatever reason and constantly slapping them with an Alert warning is pointless.
I would suggest a very simple popup window that comes up at most twice with a warning and a way to dismiss and then leaves the user alone. It could possibly explain that it will disable the Fedora repositories or something else so that the user doesn't install from EOL repos to give further incentive to upgrade.
josh
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 02:32:15PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
When a release is completely EOL, would it be possible to have a notification that is persistant in some way? Not necessarily in the shell chrome (too much?), but maybe whenever you go to Software. Or maybe "All Settings" -- could the Details icon change to show an alert, or gain a visual flag in some way?
I'm not a huge fan of this. It reminds me greatly of the notifications that e.g. McAfee continuously pops up on Windows when your virus definitions are out of date. Not without good reason (and similar reasons), but really really annoying. Some people will want to stick with an EOL release for whatever reason and constantly slapping them with an Alert warning is pointless.
I definitely I don't think there should be a repeating popup. Nothing that slaps anyone, but something that gets lit up when you're looking at a relevant part of the UI.
On 12/16/2014 02:37 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 02:32:15PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
When a release is completely EOL, would it be possible to have a notification that is persistant in some way? Not necessarily in the shell chrome (too much?), but maybe whenever you go to Software. Or maybe "All Settings" -- could the Details icon change to show an alert, or gain a visual flag in some way?
I'm not a huge fan of this. It reminds me greatly of the notifications that e.g. McAfee continuously pops up on Windows when your virus definitions are out of date. Not without good reason (and similar reasons), but really really annoying. Some people will want to stick with an EOL release for whatever reason and constantly slapping them with an Alert warning is pointless.
I definitely I don't think there should be a repeating popup. Nothing that slaps anyone, but something that gets lit up when you're looking at a relevant part of the UI.
Some messaging when trying to update an EOLed system (either with DNF, yum or Software) might also be good too, instead of saying up-to-date (i am assuming this is what happens, i have never tried to update an EOLed release)
cheers, ryanlerch
On Dec 16, 2014 12:37 PM, "Matthew Miller" mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 02:32:15PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
When a release is completely EOL, would it be possible to have a notification that is persistant in some way? Not necessarily in the shell chrome (too much?), but maybe whenever you go to Software. Or maybe "All Settings" -- could the Details icon change to show an
alert,
or gain a visual flag in some way?
I'm not a huge fan of this. It reminds me greatly of the notifications that e.g. McAfee continuously pops up on Windows when your virus definitions are out of date. Not without good reason (and similar reasons), but really really annoying. Some people will want to stick with an EOL release for whatever reason and constantly slapping them with an Alert warning is pointless.
I definitely I don't think there should be a repeating popup. Nothing that slaps anyone, but something that gets lit up when you're looking at a relevant part of the UI.
-- Matthew Miller mattdm@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader --
It would be logical to me that a user attempting to check for updates on an EOL release would get an EOL warning. Not just looking at Software, or logging into GNOME, but *every time* they explicitly set out to get updates.
--Pete
On 16/12/14 11:14 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
I'm not 100% sure about it being in the Software app interface itself. It might be kind of hard to keep it separate from updates in the UI there -- especially for something that is only used once every six months or so.
Maybe having an "upgrade" button in the details screen in the control center, and notifications when a newer version is available will be enough.
I'll try to come up with some mockups for how this will look (and also some mockups for how it might work in Software too)
cheers, ryanlerch
How about taking notes from Apple OS X upgrade https://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/ or http://macs.about.com/od/OS-X-Yosemite/ss/How-to-Upgrade-Install-OS-X-Yosemi...
Considering that Gnome Software is influenced by Apple design.
Ryan Lerch píše v Út 16. 12. 2014 v 09:39 -0500:
Hi all,
One thing i didnt see on the roadmap, but would be definitely useful for our users would be a way to notify users that a new version of Fedora Workstaion is available, and provide an easy way for them to kick of a fedup upgrade without having to use the command line.
One other thing that might be useful here is a notification for users telling them when the version they are using is going EOL, and that no more updates will be provided for their version, and then providing them the same GUI to upgrade.
cheers, ryanlerch
I agree. The current way to upgrade is not bullet-proof, but fedup is officially supported and generally have good results (I've performed dozens of upgrades with it and never ran into serious issues). I think some GUI for fedup would be fairly simple: just a progress bar with some expandable "Details" field where output of fedup would be printed.
Jiri
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