I just got 2 minor usage issues
How to I go about adding something to the top panel?
I'm used to have "System Monitor" Displaying various resource usage up there ( cpu memory network swap space etc )
How do I create a custom launcher which I can then add to "Favourites" or any of the menus ( Accessories, Games etc )?
JBG
2011/1/28 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" johannbg@gmail.com:
I just got 2 minor usage issues
How to I go about adding something to the top panel?
You don't, panel-applets are no longer supported (and aren't part of the design).
I'm used to have "System Monitor" Displaying various resource usage up there ( cpu memory network swap space etc )
Stuff like this is supposed to be done via extensions (similar to firefox extension), there is a system monitor extension in the gnome-shell-extensions git repo.
How do I create a custom launcher which I can then add to "Favourites" or any of the menus ( Accessories, Games etc )?
There is no UI for custom launchers, you'd have to dump them in .local/share/applications (the .desktop files) as for adding stuff out of the menus just go to "Applications" and either drag the icon to the dash (the dock on the left) or use "Rightclick -> Add to Favorites"
On 01/28/2011 11:40 AM, drago01 wrote:
Stuff like this is supposed to be done via extensions (similar to firefox extension), there is a system monitor extension in the gnome-shell-extensions git repo.
Like the idea of extensions however not seeing system monitor extension here..
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-extensions
And Gnome Shell extension need to be click able to install and or searchable through some configuration front end to Gnome Shell like when you install wordpress plugins or choose and Add on in Firefox
Making novice end users go through hops like this "./autogen.sh --prefix=$HOME/.local --enable-extensions="one two three" make install" will never make "Extensions" reach it full potentials..
JBG
1. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Extensions 2. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/LookingGlass
2011/1/28 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" johannbg@gmail.com:
On 01/28/2011 11:40 AM, drago01 wrote:
Stuff like this is supposed to be done via extensions (similar to firefox extension), there is a system monitor extension in the gnome-shell-extensions git repo.
Like the idea of extensions however not seeing system monitor extension here..
Seems like the patch has not landed yet see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634080
And Gnome Shell extension need to be click able to install and or searchable through some configuration front end to Gnome Shell like when you install wordpress plugins or choose and Add on in Firefox
Making novice end users go through hops like this "./autogen.sh --prefix=$HOME/.local --enable-extensions="one two three" make install" will never make "Extensions" reach it full potentials..
Sure we are not there yet and I don't expect the extension experience to be at that level for 3.0 (i.e 3.2 material).
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 02:18:00PM +0100, drago01 wrote:
2011/1/28 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" johannbg@gmail.com:
On 01/28/2011 11:40 AM, drago01 wrote:
Stuff like this is supposed to be done via extensions (similar to firefox extension), there is a system monitor extension in the gnome-shell-extensions git repo.
Like the idea of extensions however not seeing system monitor extension here..
Seems like the patch has not landed yet see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=634080
And Gnome Shell extension need to be click able to install and or searchable through some configuration front end to Gnome Shell like when you install wordpress plugins or choose and Add on in Firefox
Making novice end users go through hops like this "./autogen.sh --prefix=$HOME/.local --enable-extensions="one two three" make install" will never make "Extensions" reach it full potentials..
Sure we are not there yet and I don't expect the extension experience to be at that level for 3.0 (i.e 3.2 material).
If we are not there yet, then why don't we wait until F16 for Gnome 3/Gnome Shell? I see this as being exactly the same as the situation was with systemd--it wasn't polished in time for F14, so it had to wait until F15. Why should Gnome be any different? Why should the users have to put up with a half-baked user experience for F15?
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 09:20 -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote:
If we are not there yet, then why don't we wait until F16 for Gnome 3/Gnome Shell? I see this as being exactly the same as the situation was with systemd--it wasn't polished in time for F14, so it had to wait until F15. Why should Gnome be any different? Why should the users have to put up with a half-baked user experience for F15?
Lack of extensions != half-baked user experience. GNOME 3 will give you a fully baked, crip user experience without extensions...
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 09:27:43AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 09:20 -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote:
If we are not there yet, then why don't we wait until F16 for Gnome 3/Gnome Shell? I see this as being exactly the same as the situation was with systemd--it wasn't polished in time for F14, so it had to wait until F15. Why should Gnome be any different? Why should the users have to put up with a half-baked user experience for F15?
Lack of extensions != half-baked user experience. GNOME 3 will give you a fully baked, crip user experience without extensions...
Thanks, good to know. Sorry for my scepticism. Now that you've reset my expectations, I'll try it out during the Test Days to make sure there are no regressions in user experience & capabilities compared to gnome-panel/nautilus and Gnome 2.
On 01/28/2011 02:41 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 09:27:43AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 09:20 -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote:
If we are not there yet, then why don't we wait until F16 for Gnome 3/Gnome Shell? I see this as being exactly the same as the situation was with systemd--it wasn't polished in time for F14, so it had to wait until F15. Why should Gnome be any different? Why should the users have to put up with a half-baked user experience for F15?
This is a valid point and FESCO should be consistent and treat things equally within the project one of the point that made against systemd was lack of documentation I don't see why this should be treated any differently.
Given that this is the so called "Default" and affects significant portion of the Fedora's existing user base this needs to be in pristine contention before pushed out.
Lack of extensions != half-baked user experience. GNOME 3 will give you a fully baked, crip user experience without extensions...
No it will give users a fully baked cip user experience if users where used to using "Gnome Applets" and an equal "extensions" is missing
How about Gnome Theme-ing support where does it stand alot of users like to custom their look and feel?
Thanks, good to know. Sorry for my scepticism. Now that you've reset my expectations, I'll try it out during the Test Days to make sure there are no regressions in user experience& capabilities compared to gnome-panel/nautilus and Gnome 2.
Well as has been mentioned a simple way for users to create custom launcher is lacking in Gnome Shell.
JBG
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 09:41 -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 09:27:43AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 09:20 -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote:
If we are not there yet, then why don't we wait until F16 for Gnome 3/Gnome Shell? I see this as being exactly the same as the situation was with systemd--it wasn't polished in time for F14, so it had to wait until F15. Why should Gnome be any different? Why should the users have to put up with a half-baked user experience for F15?
Lack of extensions != half-baked user experience. GNOME 3 will give you a fully baked, crip user experience without extensions...
Thanks, good to know. Sorry for my scepticism. Now that you've reset my expectations, I'll try it out during the Test Days to make sure there are no regressions in user experience & capabilities compared to gnome-panel/nautilus and Gnome 2.
Let me reset your expectations some more.
There will be big changes in the user experience - thats the whole reason why we are working very hard to get GNOME3 done. And some of these changes will certainly be perceived as regressions by some people - if you have had your stock ticker in the upper right corner for 10 years, then that is a very understandable reaction to decry the disappearance of applets.
What you should expect from GNOME 3.0 as a user is a fully functional desktop. What you should expect from it as a developer is a good platform to build on for 3.2 and so on.
But a feature-by-feature and per-ui-detail comparison of GNOME 2.32 and 3.0 does not really make sense. The difference in the minor version numbers should make clear: GNOME 2 has had 16 revisions to build up UI details and features; GNOME 3 is just starting out.
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