From this comment[1], it seems Shotwell has been forked and the original upstream is no more. I tried gThumb but my concern is the lack of support for non-destructive editing method. In addition, Shotwell still has an outstanding bug[2] related to Facebook account affecting all distributions. As Design Suite maintainer using Workstation as a base, I think it will be time to reevaluate which actively maintained application should be included as default. I looked at Gnome Photos but it lacks support of sorting folders by date i.e (YYYY/MM/DD). Comments welcome.
Ref: ---- [1] https://plus.google.com/+WorldofGnomeOrg/posts/GJ1HRJEooYh [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224562
+1
I always uninstall Shotwell and install Gthumb.
Gthumb is in active development and evolved much, lives up in features and has a better integration into the Gnome desktop (default desktop in Workstation). ---
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El 25-11-2015 15:10, Luya Tshimbalanga escribió:
From this comment[1 [1]], it seems Shotwell has been forked and the original upstream is no more. I tried gThumb but my concern is the lack of support for non-destructive editing method. In addition, Shotwell still has an outstanding bug[2 [2]] related to Facebook account affecting all distributions. As Design Suite maintainer using Workstation as a base, I think it will be time to reevaluate which actively maintained application should be included as default. I looked at Gnome Photos but it lacks support of sorting folders by date i.e (YYYY/MM/DD). Comments welcome.
Ref:
[1] https://plus.google.com/+WorldofGnomeOrg/posts/GJ1HRJEooYh [1] [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224562 [2]
Links: ------ [1] https://plus.google.com/+WorldofGnomeOrg/posts/GJ1HRJEooYh [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224562
I haven't tested either application extensively in a while, but I guess another option here would be to start shipping Pantheon Photos; the Shotwell fork?
Christian
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From: "Luya Tshimbalanga" luya@fedoraproject.org To: "Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop" desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:10:52 PM Subject: Replacing Shotwell with gThumb or Gnome Photos for F24?
From this comment[1], it seems Shotwell has been forked and the original upstream is no more. I tried gThumb but my concern is the lack of support for non-destructive editing method. In addition, Shotwell still has an outstanding bug[2] related to Facebook account affecting all distributions. As Design Suite maintainer using Workstation as a base, I think it will be time to reevaluate which actively maintained application should be included as default. I looked at Gnome Photos but it lacks support of sorting folders by date i.e (YYYY/MM/DD). Comments welcome.
Ref:
[1] https://plus.google.com/+WorldofGnomeOrg/posts/GJ1HRJEooYh [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224562
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I haven't tested either application extensively in a while, but I guess another option here would be to start shipping Pantheon Photos; the Shotwell fork?
I don't see a point in shipping as a default an application that is meant for another desktop environment, and will fit less and less when we have GNOME Photos being worked on by a Fedora contributor.
Gnome Photos cannot be used to open an image though. There is no "Open with" Photos. Not even possible for Terminal.
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
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I haven't tested either application extensively in a while, but I guess another option here would be to start shipping Pantheon Photos; the Shotwell fork?
I don't see a point in shipping as a default an application that is meant for another desktop environment, and will fit less and less when we have GNOME Photos being worked on by a Fedora contributor. -- desktop mailing list desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org
There is no "Open with" Photos. Not even possible for Terminal.
Can you please file a bug against gnome-photos, in the GNOME Bugzilla, about this?
I think it isn't a bug, it is just the way that Gnome Photos work. More like image indexer rather image viewer. But I reported in any case https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758705
El 26-11-2015 10:34, alex diavatis escribió:
There is no "Open with" Photos. Not even possible for Terminal.
Can you please file a bug against gnome-photos, in the GNOME Bugzilla, about this?
I think it isn't a bug, it is just the way that Gnome Photos work. More like image indexer rather image viewer. But I reported in any case https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758705 [2]
I think the same. EOG is the image viewer.
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El 26-11-2015 09:12, alex diavatis escribió:
Gnome Photos cannot be used to open an image though. There is no "Open with" Photos. Not even possible for Terminal.
I think the approaches are different. I prefer a combination of Gnome Photos + EOG. (Like evince + gnome documents). I also think you need to add basic editing EOG.
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
I haven't tested either application extensively in a while, but I guess another option here would be to start shipping Pantheon Photos; the Shotwell fork?
I don't see a point in shipping as a default an application that is meant for another desktop environment, and will fit less and less when we have GNOME Photos being worked on by a Fedora contributor.
--- Bastián Díaz https://telegram.me/diazbastian
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015, 8:09 AM Bastián Díaz diaz.bastian@openmailbox.org wrote:
El 26-11-2015 09:12, alex diavatis escribió:
Gnome Photos cannot be used to open an image though. There is no "Open with" Photos. Not even possible for Terminal.
I think the approaches are different. I prefer a combination of Gnome Photos + EOG. (Like evince + gnome documents). I also think you need to add basic editing EOG.
If I may ask, why do you prefer the separate viewer/organizer paradigm? As a user, my expectation is that I can view a file within an organizer. For code maintenance, I see no need to maintain two separate applications when one is (or at least should be) a superset of the other. Ideally, we could implement something like the Finder file selector where the sidebar lists various filetypes (documents, music, photos, etc). You click on a filetype and it opens a special interface WITHIN THE file selector WINDOW. Importantly, the filetypes aren't links to folders, but indexes populated by, I'd imagine, spotlight. That is the direction that I think makes the experience most simple for a user. One place to allow viewing, listening and basic editing of all files, and with a dynamic interface which accommodates each file type once chosen.... but that would be difficult to do.
GNOME Photos seems reasonable for Fedora Workstation. I think the Design spin can opt for gthumb in addition to or instead of GNOME Photos.
I don't have a problem with separate organization (GNOME Photos) vs viewing (Image Viewer) apps, but an organizer needs to be capable of supporting (displaying) all the formats Image Viewer supports to avoid confusion.
Chris Murphy
The same could/should be discussed for geary which has the same upstream and which has a fork too.
Regards,
Heiko
Am Mittwoch, den 25.11.2015, 10:10 -0800 schrieb Luya Tshimbalanga:
From this comment[1], it seems Shotwell has been forked and the original upstream is no more. I tried gThumb but my concern is the lack of support for non-destructive editing method. In addition, Shotwell still has an outstanding bug[2] related to Facebook account affecting all distributions. As Design Suite maintainer using Workstation as a base, I think it will be time to reevaluate which actively maintained application should be included as default. I looked at Gnome Photos but it lacks support of sorting folders by date i.e (YYYY/MM/DD). Comments welcome.
Ref:
[1] https://plus.google.com/+WorldofGnomeOrg/posts/GJ1HRJEooYh [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224562
On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 10:10 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
From this comment[1], it seems Shotwell has been forked and the original upstream is no more. I tried gThumb but my concern is the lack of support for non-destructive editing method. In addition, Shotwell still has an outstanding bug[2] related to Facebook account affecting all distributions. As Design Suite maintainer using Workstation as a base, I think it will be time to reevaluate which actively maintained application should be included as default. I looked at Gnome Photos but it lacks support of sorting folders by date i.e (YYYY/MM/DD). Comments welcome.
Yes, Shotwell maintenance ended about half a year ago, after Yorba fizzled out. I strongly support removing it with or without replacement.
I would much rather ship gThumb than Shotwell; gThumb is great.
With my upstream GNOME hat on, our focus now is on promoting our content apps, including GNOME Photos, which is a core app that we intend distributions shipping GNOME to install by default. We don't intend for gThumb to be a core app; that's a more advanced tool. So my vote is for Photos, even though it's less mature.
We're going to have a content apps hackfest next week in Madrid; I will mention your request for sorting options in Photos, and maybe it will happen. (I'll myself be focused on Music, our Rhythmbox replacement, since I have a lot of music and not a lot of photos.)
Michael
El 25-11-2015 16:35, Michael Catanzaro escribió:
On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 10:10 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
From this comment[1], it seems Shotwell has been forked and the original upstream is no more. I tried gThumb but my concern is the lack of support for non-destructive editing method. In addition, Shotwell still has an outstanding bug[2] related to Facebook account affecting all distributions. As Design Suite maintainer using Workstation as a base, I think it will be time to reevaluate which actively maintained application should be included as default. I looked at Gnome Photos but it lacks support of sorting folders by date i.e (YYYY/MM/DD). Comments welcome.
Yes, Shotwell maintenance ended about half a year ago, after Yorba fizzled out. I strongly support removing it with or without replacement.
I would much rather ship gThumb than Shotwell; gThumb is great.
It has some bugs, but now Gthumb is great.
With my upstream GNOME hat on, our focus now is on promoting our content apps, including GNOME Photos, which is a core app that we intend distributions shipping GNOME to install by default. We don't intend for gThumb to be a core app; that's a more advanced tool. So my vote is for Photos, even though it's less mature.
I also support Gnome core apps, yet Photos not in a stage of development that will be a replacement for Shotwell, so I think now Shotwell, must be replaced by Gthumb until Photos will match in functionalities.
We're going to have a content apps hackfest next week in Madrid; I will mention your request for sorting options in Photos, and maybe it will happen. (I'll myself be focused on Music, our Rhythmbox replacement, since I have a lot of music and not a lot of photos.)
Michael
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On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 17:45 -0300, Bastián Díaz wrote:
I also support Gnome core apps, yet Photos not in a stage of development that will be a replacement for Shotwell, so I think now Shotwell, must be replaced by Gthumb until Photos will match in functionalities.
Photos will never match Shotwell in functionality. It's only a photo viewer and organizer: that's it. Maybe it will grow support for light touch-ups like red eye correction, but it will never be an advanced tool like Shotwell or gThumb. So no point in waiting for this, it won't happen! :)
Personally, I don't think we need advanced photo editing software as part of the core OS.
Michael
El 25-11-2015 18:17, Michael Catanzaro escribió:
On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 17:45 -0300, Bastián Díaz wrote:
I also support Gnome core apps, yet Photos not in a stage of development that will be a replacement for Shotwell, so I think now Shotwell, must be replaced by Gthumb until Photos will match in functionalities.
Photos will never match Shotwell in functionality. It's only a photo viewer and organizer: that's it. Maybe it will grow support for light touch-ups like red eye correction, but it will never be an advanced tool like Shotwell or gThumb. So no point in waiting for this, it won't happen! :)
I think sometimes things get confused. Fedora is not Gnome, so I thought that in speaking of "replacement" an application to grant similar features and better support (active development) was sought.
However, if Fedora seeks to provide applications that deliver basic functionality by default, Photos it is the option. ;)
However, I would also like to see basic editing in eye of gnome, such as cutting images.
+1 Gnome Photos
Personally, I don't think we need advanced photo editing software as part of the core OS.
Michael
Cheers
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2015, 4:18 PM Michael Catanzaro mcatanzaro@gnome.org wrote:
On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 17:45 -0300, Bastián Díaz wrote:
I also support Gnome core apps, yet Photos not in a stage of development that will be a replacement for Shotwell, so I think now Shotwell, must be replaced by Gthumb until Photos will match in functionalities.
Photos will never match Shotwell in functionality. It's only a photo viewer and organizer: that's it. Maybe it will grow support for light touch-ups like red eye correction, but it will never be an advanced tool like Shotwell or gThumb. So no point in waiting for this, it won't happen! :)
Personally, I don't think we need advanced photo editing software as part of the core OS.
None of the proposed tools provide advanced editing capabilities. At most, they provide a very, very little amount of functionality that let you adjust red eye, levels, cropping/scaling/rotation, exposure adjustment, and the like.
Recently I've had a chance to use a Mac extensively and have been amazed at how much more sophisticated it has been. From the theme (it looks professional), to window management (pins full screen Windows to top of screen during expose, let's you drag and drop widows together in expose so the wm associates them), to system resources management (sooooo much nicer), to the apps (Photo has the following functionality: enhance, rotate, crop, filters (Instagram-like), exposure adjustment, levels, black and white, retouch, red eye), to automator (just brilliant, and would be hugely useful for our target users). Using gegl will help with a lot of this as we can bring in the relevant functionality from gimp, and get non-destructive editing to boot.
Best/Liam
El 25-11-2015 22:55, Liam escribió:
None of the proposed tools provide advanced editing capabilities. At most, they provide a very, very little amount of functionality that let you adjust red eye, levels, cropping/scaling/rotation, exposure adjustment, and the like.
Recently I've had a chance to use a Mac extensively and have been amazed at how much more sophisticated it has been. From the theme (it looks professional), to window management (pins full screen Windows to top of screen during expose, let's you drag and drop widows together in expose so the wm associates them), to system resources management (sooooo much nicer), to the apps (Photo has the following functionality: enhance, rotate, crop, filters (Instagram-like), exposure adjustment, levels, black and white, retouch, red eye), to automator (just brilliant, and would be hugely useful for our target users). Using gegl will help with a lot of this as we can bring in the relevant functionality from gimp, and get non-destructive editing to boot.
Best/Liam
You have used the latest version of Gthumb (3.4.1)?
Besides its superior integration with Gnome, using GTK + 3, popovers, etc. It has the same characteristics that you mention in Photo (OS X). Maybe not at the same level.
I invite you to use gthumb.
Cheers
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Michael Catanzaro píše v St 25. 11. 2015 v 15:17 -0600:
On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 17:45 -0300, Bastián Díaz wrote:
I also support Gnome core apps, yet Photos not in a stage of development that will be a replacement for Shotwell, so I think now Shotwell, must be replaced by Gthumb until Photos will match in functionalities.
Photos will never match Shotwell in functionality. It's only a photo viewer and organizer: that's it. Maybe it will grow support for light touch-ups like red eye correction, but it will never be an advanced tool like Shotwell or gThumb. So no point in waiting for this, it won't happen! :)
I'm not sure if this is a correct assessment. I know that Rishi is working on non-destructive editing for Photos which was pretty close to what Shotwell offers (frankly Shotwell's not particularly an advanced photo editor either).
Jiri
----- Original Message -----
From this comment[1], it seems Shotwell has been forked and the original upstream is no more. I tried gThumb but my concern is the lack of support for non-destructive editing method. In addition, Shotwell still has an outstanding bug[2] related to Facebook account affecting all distributions. As Design Suite maintainer using Workstation as a base, I think it will be time to reevaluate which actively maintained application should be included as default. I looked at Gnome Photos but it lacks support of sorting folders by date i.e (YYYY/MM/DD). Comments welcome.
I'd second switching to GNOME Photos as a default. It has minimal editing features, which are useful for the majority of point-and-shoot and phone users, and would replace an unmaintained piece of code that we've steered clear of removing as a default, because GNOME Photos wasn't to the expected level of functionality.
We're having a hackfest about core GNOME (and Fedora Workstation, thus) applications so any feature requests or bugs, please file them upstream against gnome-photos, and we'll do our best to review them next week.
Cheers
Ref:
[1] https://plus.google.com/+WorldofGnomeOrg/posts/GJ1HRJEooYh [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224562
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On 25/11/15 10:10 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
From this comment[1], it seems Shotwell has been forked and the original upstream is no more. I tried gThumb but my concern is the lack of support for non-destructive editing method. In addition, Shotwell still has an outstanding bug[2] related to Facebook account affecting all distributions. As Design Suite maintainer using Workstation as a base, I think it will be time to reevaluate which actively maintained application should be included as default. I looked at Gnome Photos but it lacks support of sorting folders by date i.e (YYYY/MM/DD). Comments welcome.
Ref:
[1] https://plus.google.com/+WorldofGnomeOrg/posts/GJ1HRJEooYh [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224562
After having a feedback from Debashi and seen the preview of incoming release of Gnome Photos, I will go with it for Fedora 24 within Design Suite. Gnome Shell on Rawhide is currently broken at the moment so I will wait for the fix.
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