Hi Desktop SIG,
When I talked to someone with an EeePC today, he told me he wanted to have Fedora 11 but had to install another OS, because Fedora would sometimes draw windows whose action areas weren't on the screen, so he couldn't make button selections. I don't have a netbook, so I don't know if or how this problem might be solved, and was hoping someone could tell me.
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 18:00 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hi Desktop SIG,
When I talked to someone with an EeePC today, he told me he wanted to have Fedora 11 but had to install another OS, because Fedora would sometimes draw windows whose action areas weren't on the screen, so he couldn't make button selections. I don't have a netbook, so I don't know if or how this problem might be solved, and was hoping someone could tell me.
Probably an EeePC 7" where running a "normal" desktop is completely absurd. I don't think that any other distros are making particular changes to make that easier.
Things like disabling the text in toolbars, or selecting smaller fonts would certainly help.
But, really, 800x480?! That's even smaller than the 800x600 that people try not to break.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Bastien Nocerabnocera@redhat.com wrote:
But, really, 800x480?! That's even smaller than the 800x600 that people try not to break.
Mine is 1024x600 and seems to be OK. I use Xfce on it though.
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 20:42 -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Bastien Nocerabnocera@redhat.com wrote:
But, really, 800x480?! That's even smaller than the 800x600 that people try not to break.
Mine is 1024x600 and seems to be OK. I use Xfce on it though.
In my limited experience, the 1024x576 on my netbook works decently as well. At least that's close enough to 600 that you can bug people about problems.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:40:35PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 18:00 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hi Desktop SIG,
When I talked to someone with an EeePC today, he told me he wanted to have Fedora 11 but had to install another OS, because Fedora would sometimes draw windows whose action areas weren't on the screen, so he couldn't make button selections. I don't have a netbook, so I don't know if or how this problem might be solved, and was hoping someone could tell me.
Probably an EeePC 7" where running a "normal" desktop is completely absurd. I don't think that any other distros are making particular changes to make that easier.
Yeah, I don't know about standard desktop editions of common distros, but he showed me the unit, running a netbook remix that made a specific change that completely alters the desktop. It hides the normal desktop in favor of a menu driven system, and windows that are opened are force-maximized (sorry if that's the wrong term). I'm not suggesting that's the right way to go, just wondering if there's any potential solution so the standard Fedora runs more acceptably for those users.
Things like disabling the text in toolbars, or selecting smaller fonts would certainly help.
Strangely enough, one of the more interesting comments I got from a couple people was that fonts were legible on their netbooks in Fedora 11 (unlike other distros they had tried) because of larger fonts!
But, really, 800x480?! That's even smaller than the 800x600 that people try not to break.
Sure -- I'm not saying it's not a difficult problem. If we had to have some sort of special experience for netbooks, would it be possible to customize that into something like a schema package that reset a bunch of normal defaults?
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 00:08 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:40:35PM +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 18:00 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hi Desktop SIG,
When I talked to someone with an EeePC today, he told me he wanted to have Fedora 11 but had to install another OS, because Fedora would sometimes draw windows whose action areas weren't on the screen, so he couldn't make button selections. I don't have a netbook, so I don't know if or how this problem might be solved, and was hoping someone could tell me.
Probably an EeePC 7" where running a "normal" desktop is completely absurd. I don't think that any other distros are making particular changes to make that easier.
Yeah, I don't know about standard desktop editions of common distros, but he showed me the unit, running a netbook remix that made a specific change that completely alters the desktop. It hides the normal desktop in favor of a menu driven system, and windows that are opened are force-maximized (sorry if that's the wrong term). I'm not suggesting that's the right way to go, just wondering if there's any potential solution so the standard Fedora runs more acceptably for those users.
That's what the Ubuntu Netbook Remix uses (a row and grid menu system and "maximus" which maximises all the windows, and gets it wrong very often).
Things like disabling the text in toolbars, or selecting smaller fonts would certainly help.
Strangely enough, one of the more interesting comments I got from a couple people was that fonts were legible on their netbooks in Fedora 11 (unlike other distros they had tried) because of larger fonts!
But, really, 800x480?! That's even smaller than the 800x600 that people try not to break.
Sure -- I'm not saying it's not a difficult problem. If we had to have some sort of special experience for netbooks, would it be possible to customize that into something like a schema package that reset a bunch of normal defaults?
The story here is probably the Moblin spin that Peter Robinson is helping build. Right now, he's busy getting the packages into the distro.
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 18:00 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hi Desktop SIG,
When I talked to someone with an EeePC today, he told me he wanted to have Fedora 11 but had to install another OS, because Fedora would sometimes draw windows whose action areas weren't on the screen, so he couldn't make button selections. I don't have a netbook, so I don't know if or how this problem might be solved, and was hoping someone could tell me.
One trick that is useful to know when dealing with the inadvertent oversized dialog is that metacity lets you move a window even when you can't see the titlebar, via Alt-F7 or Alt-Button1.
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 21:14 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 18:00 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hi Desktop SIG,
When I talked to someone with an EeePC today, he told me he wanted to have Fedora 11 but had to install another OS, because Fedora would sometimes draw windows whose action areas weren't on the screen, so he couldn't make button selections. I don't have a netbook, so I don't know if or how this problem might be solved, and was hoping someone could tell me.
One trick that is useful to know when dealing with the inadvertent oversized dialog is that metacity lets you move a window even when you can't see the titlebar, via Alt-F7 or Alt-Button1.
At one point, this would not let you move the titlebar off the top of the screen. I haven't tried with metacity lately; it's certainly true with compiz.
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On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:37:13AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 21:14 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 18:00 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Hi Desktop SIG,
When I talked to someone with an EeePC today, he told me he wanted to have Fedora 11 but had to install another OS, because Fedora would sometimes draw windows whose action areas weren't on the screen, so he couldn't make button selections. I don't have a netbook, so I don't know if or how this problem might be solved, and was hoping someone could tell me.
One trick that is useful to know when dealing with the inadvertent oversized dialog is that metacity lets you move a window even when you can't see the titlebar, via Alt-F7 or Alt-Button1.
At one point, this would not let you move the titlebar off the top of the screen. I haven't tried with metacity lately; it's certainly true with compiz.
My "lately" isn't as much so as some :-), but you can move the titlebar off the screen in F-11 metacity.
On 07/24/2009 01:00 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
When I talked to someone with an EeePC today, he told me he wanted to have Fedora 11 but had to install another OS, because Fedora would sometimes draw windows whose action areas weren't on the screen, so he couldn't make button selections. I don't have a netbook, so I don't know if or how this problem might be solved, and was hoping someone could tell me.
Yes, his happen sometimes on my 1024x600 screen, an example is the "Account Settings" in Thunderbird. Another example is Inkscape when before 0.47 (we have a development snapshot in F11 which finally works OK) it was not possible to fit the *main window* on the small screen.
But in most of the cases I find a normal GNOME desktop (with both panels, at the top and bottom) usable enough that I don't want anything else.
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