With GNOME 3.12 in rawhide today (or in the F20 copr), it is for the first time really easy to try GNOME with Wayland. You can just select 'GNOME on Wayland' from the session chooser on the login screen.
If you do so, you'll get a desktop that looks just like regular GNOME, and a great many things work just fine. Just be aware of the few things that don't work yet:
- Drag-and-drop doesn't work - No touch support - some popups (eg entry completion) do not appear
Most seriously, right clicks and double-clicks on applications that are running under xwayland have the tendency to bring down the session.
Of course, we are working on all of these issues. Any help is welcome!
Matthias
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On 03/27/2014 08:08 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
With GNOME 3.12 in rawhide today (or in the F20 copr), it is for the first time really easy to try GNOME with Wayland. You can just select 'GNOME on Wayland' from the session chooser on the login screen.
If you do so, you'll get a desktop that looks just like regular GNOME, and a great many things work just fine. Just be aware of the few things that don't work yet:
- Drag-and-drop doesn't work - No touch support - some popups (eg
entry completion) do not appear
Most seriously, right clicks and double-clicks on applications that are running under xwayland have the tendency to bring down the session.
Of course, we are working on all of these issues. Any help is welcome!
I tried this yesterday (via the F20 COPR) and unfortunately it didn't work. After entering my credentials in GDM, the screen changed to one with a graphical session and a mouse, but never loaded the reset of the GNOME session. I haven't had a chance to investigate it further yet, unfortunately.
On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 08:13 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On 03/27/2014 08:08 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
With GNOME 3.12 in rawhide today (or in the F20 copr), it is for the first time really easy to try GNOME with Wayland. You can just select 'GNOME on Wayland' from the session chooser on the login screen.
If you do so, you'll get a desktop that looks just like regular GNOME, and a great many things work just fine. Just be aware of the few things that don't work yet:
- Drag-and-drop doesn't work - No touch support - some popups (eg
entry completion) do not appear
Most seriously, right clicks and double-clicks on applications that are running under xwayland have the tendency to bring down the session.
Of course, we are working on all of these issues. Any help is welcome!
I tried this yesterday (via the F20 COPR) and unfortunately it didn't work. After entering my credentials in GDM, the screen changed to one with a graphical session and a mouse, but never loaded the reset of the GNOME session. I haven't had a chance to investigate it further yet, unfortunately.
I've successfully tried it with rawhide. On intel hw, that is. I forgot to mention that it is probably limited to systems using intel graphics, currently.
I've successfully tried it with rawhide. On intel hw, that is. I forgot to mention that it is probably limited to systems using intel graphics, currently.
Isn't working with NVidia Nouveua as well?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com wrote:
On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 08:13 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On 03/27/2014 08:08 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
With GNOME 3.12 in rawhide today (or in the F20 copr), it is for the first time really easy to try GNOME with Wayland. You can just select 'GNOME on Wayland' from the session chooser on the login screen.
If you do so, you'll get a desktop that looks just like regular GNOME, and a great many things work just fine. Just be aware of the few things that don't work yet:
- Drag-and-drop doesn't work - No touch support - some popups (eg
entry completion) do not appear
Most seriously, right clicks and double-clicks on applications that are running under xwayland have the tendency to bring down the session.
Of course, we are working on all of these issues. Any help is welcome!
I tried this yesterday (via the F20 COPR) and unfortunately it didn't work. After entering my credentials in GDM, the screen changed to one with a graphical session and a mouse, but never loaded the reset of the GNOME session. I haven't had a chance to investigate it further yet, unfortunately.
I've successfully tried it with rawhide. On intel hw, that is. I forgot to mention that it is probably limited to systems using intel graphics, currently.
-- desktop mailing list desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
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On 03/27/2014 08:35 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 08:13 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On 03/27/2014 08:08 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
With GNOME 3.12 in rawhide today (or in the F20 copr), it is for the first time really easy to try GNOME with Wayland. You can just select 'GNOME on Wayland' from the session chooser on the login screen.
If you do so, you'll get a desktop that looks just like regular GNOME, and a great many things work just fine. Just be aware of the few things that don't work yet:
- Drag-and-drop doesn't work - No touch support - some popups
(eg entry completion) do not appear
Most seriously, right clicks and double-clicks on applications that are running under xwayland have the tendency to bring down the session.
Of course, we are working on all of these issues. Any help is welcome!
I tried this yesterday (via the F20 COPR) and unfortunately it didn't work. After entering my credentials in GDM, the screen changed to one with a graphical session and a mouse, but never loaded the reset of the GNOME session. I haven't had a chance to investigate it further yet, unfortunately.
I've successfully tried it with rawhide. On intel hw, that is. I forgot to mention that it is probably limited to systems using intel graphics, currently.
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
I'll try to dig into it some more later today.
Stephen Gallagher píše v Čt 27. 03. 2014 v 08:58 -0400:
On 03/27/2014 08:35 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 08:13 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On 03/27/2014 08:08 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
With GNOME 3.12 in rawhide today (or in the F20 copr), it is for the first time really easy to try GNOME with Wayland. You can just select 'GNOME on Wayland' from the session chooser on the login screen.
If you do so, you'll get a desktop that looks just like regular GNOME, and a great many things work just fine. Just be aware of the few things that don't work yet:
- Drag-and-drop doesn't work - No touch support - some popups
(eg entry completion) do not appear
Most seriously, right clicks and double-clicks on applications that are running under xwayland have the tendency to bring down the session.
Of course, we are working on all of these issues. Any help is welcome!
I tried this yesterday (via the F20 COPR) and unfortunately it didn't work. After entering my credentials in GDM, the screen changed to one with a graphical session and a mouse, but never loaded the reset of the GNOME session. I haven't had a chance to investigate it further yet, unfortunately.
I've successfully tried it with rawhide. On intel hw, that is. I forgot to mention that it is probably limited to systems using intel graphics, currently.
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
I'll try to dig into it some more later today.
I also tried and failed with the F20 COPR a few days ago, also using an Intel graphics card.
Jiri
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com wrote:
I forgot to mention that it is probably limited to systems using intel graphics, currently.
I thought wayland was meant to work with any driver that has kernel modesetting (be it Intel, Nouveau or radeon)
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Elad Alfassa elad@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com wrote:
I forgot to mention that it is probably limited to systems using intel graphics, currently.
I thought wayland was meant to work with any driver that has kernel modesetting (be it Intel, Nouveau or radeon)
Its xwayland that's causing problems there is a generic ddx and upstream xwayland will not require any but we are not there yet.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:53 PM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Elad Alfassa elad@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com
wrote:
I forgot to mention that it is probably limited to systems using intel graphics, currently.
I thought wayland was meant to work with any driver that has kernel modesetting (be it Intel, Nouveau or radeon)
Its xwayland that's causing problems there is a generic ddx and upstream xwayland will not require any but we are not there yet. -- desktop mailing list desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
I think I misunderstood then, I was under the impression most basic stuff (ie. the shell itself, being able to start the session) don't relay on xwayland and thus should work on non-Intel platforms too (I couldn't start a wayland session on my radeon machine)
On Thu, 2014-03-27 at 23:32 +0200, Elad Alfassa wrote:
I think I misunderstood then, I was under the impression most basic stuff (ie. the shell itself, being able to start the session) don't relay on xwayland and thus should work on non-Intel platforms too (I couldn't start a wayland session on my radeon machine)
It's not about xwayland, it's about EGL interfaces that i915/i965 implement but gallium drivers don't yet (though there's been patches posted).
- ajax
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Elad Alfassa elad@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:53 PM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Elad Alfassa elad@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com wrote:
I forgot to mention that it is probably limited to systems using intel graphics, currently.
I thought wayland was meant to work with any driver that has kernel modesetting (be it Intel, Nouveau or radeon)
Its xwayland that's causing problems there is a generic ddx and upstream xwayland will not require any but we are not there yet. -- desktop mailing list desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
I think I misunderstood then, I was under the impression most basic stuff (ie. the shell itself, being able to start the session) don't relay on xwayland and thus should work on non-Intel platforms too (I couldn't start a wayland session on my radeon machine)
That's how it should be but currently the shell is an xwayland client and dies when xwayland dies.
Hi
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
I tried this yesterday (via the F20 COPR) and unfortunately it didn't work. After entering my credentials in GDM, the screen changed to one with a graphical session and a mouse, but never loaded the reset of the GNOME session. I haven't had a chance to investigate it further yet, unfortunately.
Exact same problem here with Intel graphics card
0:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
Rahul
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
I tried this yesterday (via the F20 COPR) and unfortunately it didn't work. After entering my credentials in GDM, the screen changed to one with a graphical session and a mouse, but never loaded the reset of the GNOME session. I haven't had a chance to investigate it further yet, unfortunately.
Exact same problem here with Intel graphics card
Any errors in the journal?
Hi
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:16 AM, drago01 wrote:
Any errors in the journal?
Rahul
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:16 AM, drago01 wrote:
Any errors in the journal?
Mar 27 10:08:23 mether gnome-session[2824]: fish: Could not expand string ""$@"" Mar 27 10:08:23 mether gnome-session[2824]: Standard input: gnome-shell-wayland "$@" Mar 27 10:08:23 mether gnome-session[2824]: ^ Mar 27 10:08:23 mether gnome-session[2824]: gnome-session[2824]: WARNING: App 'gnome-shell-wayland.desktop' exited with code 127 Mar 27 10:08:23 mether gnome-session[2824]: WARNING: App 'gnome-shell-wayland.desktop' exited with code 127 Mar 27 10:08:23 mether gnome-session[2824]: Unrecoverable failure in required component gnome-shell-wayland.desktop
This does not look right ... What is in /usr/share/applications/gnome-shell-wayland.desktop ? Does /usr/bin/gnome-shell-wayland exist?
Hi
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:32 AM, drago01 wrote:
This does not look right ... What is in /usr/share/applications/gnome-shell-wayland.desktop ?
Does /usr/bin/gnome-shell-wayland exist?
ll /usr/bin/gnome-shell-wayland -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 63K Mar 25 17:21 /usr/bin/gnome-shell-wayland*
Rahul
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:32 AM, drago01 wrote:
This does not look right ... What is in /usr/share/applications/gnome-shell-wayland.desktop ?
Does /usr/bin/gnome-shell-wayland exist?
ll /usr/bin/gnome-shell-wayland -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 63K Mar 25 17:21 /usr/bin/gnome-shell-wayland*
<Jasper> drago01_, tell him not to use fish as a shell. <Jasper> fish is dumb <drago01_> I ignored the fish message because I didn't even know what it is <Jasper> fish is an alternate shell. <Jasper> It's not POSIX-compliant. <Jasper> Really, using a non-POSIX-compliant shell as your login shell is incredibly dumb and bound to break something.
I am hitting the same bug, just using F20+the COPR from Richard. It seems to me that anyone who managed to get this working are using rawhide (something working better in rawhide must be a world first ;), while there is something not 100% right with the F20+Copr setup.
Christian
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:32 AM, drago01 wrote:
This does not look right ... What is in /usr/share/applications/gnome-shell-wayland.desktop ?
Does /usr/bin/gnome-shell-wayland exist?
ll /usr/bin/gnome-shell-wayland -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 63K Mar 25 17:21 /usr/bin/gnome-shell-wayland*
<Jasper> drago01_, tell him not to use fish as a shell. <Jasper> fish is dumb <drago01_> I ignored the fish message because I didn't even know what it is <Jasper> fish is an alternate shell. <Jasper> It's not POSIX-compliant. <Jasper> Really, using a non-POSIX-compliant shell as your login shell is incredibly dumb and bound to break something.
On 27 March 2014 14:56, Christian Schaller cschalle@redhat.com wrote:
I am hitting the same bug, just using F20+the COPR from Richard. It seems to me that anyone who managed to get this working are using rawhide (something working better in rawhide must be a world first ;), while there is something not 100% right with the F20+Copr setup.
I'm rebuilding the rawhide packages 1:1 with no changes, so it's probably an updated package that I also have to add to the COPR. If anyone identifies what it is I'll add it to the list and I'll get it built ASAP.
Richard.
Hi
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:49 AM, drago01 wrote:
<Jasper> drago01_, tell him not to use fish as a shell. <Jasper> fish is dumb <drago01_> I ignored the fish message because I didn't even know what it is <Jasper> fish is an alternate shell. <Jasper> It's not POSIX-compliant. <Jasper> Really, using a non-POSIX-compliant shell as your login shell is incredibly dumb and bound to break something.
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Changing it didn't seem to help
Rahul
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