Hi All,
Is there a reason that the gnome-desktop group contains both gnome-2 and gnome-3 desktops? Is it possible to split them out. Its not hard to add both groups into a livecd kickstart file but it makes it much harder to install one or the other. This becomes a problem on the OLPC where we have between 1 and 4 Gb of storage and neither hardware release (nor the upcoming ARM based devices I suspect) will run gnome 3. I tried to install a plain "gnome desktop" from a F-14 alpha RC onto my eeePC 901 which has a 4 Gb primary SSD and in F-13 had Sugar/gnome and moblin on it with about 800Mb free and with F-14 I can't even install the standard gnome desktop as the installer says there's not enough space.
Can we do a gnome-desktop for the current gnome2 desktop and a gnome-desktop3 group for the gtk3/gnome3 components as it seems that gnome2 is something that will be needed or used by a number of groups for some time to come.
Peter
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 19:23 +0100, pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
Is there a reason that the gnome-desktop group contains both gnome-2 and gnome-3 desktops? Is it possible to split them out. Its not hard to add both groups into a livecd kickstart file but it makes it much harder to install one or the other. This becomes a problem on the OLPC where we have between 1 and 4 Gb of storage and neither hardware release (nor the upcoming ARM based devices I suspect) will run gnome 3. I tried to install a plain "gnome desktop" from a F-14 alpha RC onto my eeePC 901 which has a 4 Gb primary SSD and in F-13 had Sugar/gnome and moblin on it with about 800Mb free and with F-14 I can't even install the standard gnome desktop as the installer says there's not enough space.
Can we do a gnome-desktop for the current gnome2 desktop and a gnome-desktop3 group for the gtk3/gnome3 components as it seems that gnome2 is something that will be needed or used by a number of groups for some time to come.
Desktop team is in the middle of backing out all the GNOME 3 stuff for F14, it's been delayed to F15.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 19:23 +0100, pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
Is there a reason that the gnome-desktop group contains both gnome-2 and gnome-3 desktops? Is it possible to split them out. Its not hard to add both groups into a livecd kickstart file but it makes it much harder to install one or the other. This becomes a problem on the OLPC where we have between 1 and 4 Gb of storage and neither hardware release (nor the upcoming ARM based devices I suspect) will run gnome 3. I tried to install a plain "gnome desktop" from a F-14 alpha RC onto my eeePC 901 which has a 4 Gb primary SSD and in F-13 had Sugar/gnome and moblin on it with about 800Mb free and with F-14 I can't even install the standard gnome desktop as the installer says there's not enough space.
Can we do a gnome-desktop for the current gnome2 desktop and a gnome-desktop3 group for the gtk3/gnome3 components as it seems that gnome2 is something that will be needed or used by a number of groups for some time to come.
Desktop team is in the middle of backing out all the GNOME 3 stuff for F14, it's been delayed to F15.
So the comps group will be split as well? I think this should remain split even in F-15 as there's a lot of scenarios where you might want one or the other.
Peter
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 19:41 +0100, pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
So the comps group will be split as well? I think this should remain split even in F-15 as there's a lot of scenarios where you might want one or the other.
I don't think we want to have gnome2 and gnome3 as separate comps groups, going forward. For F14, I am going to drop the gnome3 additions from comps, as far as possible. For F15, we will have a better gnome3 story, hopefully.
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 19:41 +0100, pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
So the comps group will be split as well? I think this should remain split even in F-15 as there's a lot of scenarios where you might want one or the other.
I don't think we want to have gnome2 and gnome3 as separate comps groups, going forward. For F14, I am going to drop the gnome3 additions from comps, as far as possible. For F15, we will have a better gnome3 story, hopefully.
So how will that work for non intel/nvidia/ati GPUs as well as VMs/VDI/dumb terminals/vnc and other associated technologies? Hell even my relatively decent Dell laptop with a nvidia card doesn't run gnome shell with any reasonable speed (if you count clicking on something and it responding 17 seconds (yes I timed it) later workable).
Peter
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 20:47 +0100, pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 19:41 +0100, pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
So the comps group will be split as well? I think this should remain split even in F-15 as there's a lot of scenarios where you might want one or the other.
I don't think we want to have gnome2 and gnome3 as separate comps groups, going forward. For F14, I am going to drop the gnome3 additions from comps, as far as possible. For F15, we will have a better gnome3 story, hopefully.
So how will that work for non intel/nvidia/ati GPUs as well as VMs/VDI/dumb terminals/vnc and other associated technologies? Hell even my relatively decent Dell laptop with a nvidia card doesn't run gnome shell with any reasonable speed (if you count clicking on something and it responding 17 seconds (yes I timed it) later workable).
AFAIK, you can use "old school gnome" with gnome 3 as well. The gnome-panel, metacity etc. are not going to be obsoleted...
Martin
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Martin Sourada martin.sourada@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 20:47 +0100, pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 19:41 +0100, pbrobinson@gmail.com wrote:
So the comps group will be split as well? I think this should remain split even in F-15 as there's a lot of scenarios where you might want one or the other.
I don't think we want to have gnome2 and gnome3 as separate comps groups, going forward. For F14, I am going to drop the gnome3 additions from comps, as far as possible. For F15, we will have a better gnome3 story, hopefully.
So how will that work for non intel/nvidia/ati GPUs as well as VMs/VDI/dumb terminals/vnc and other associated technologies? Hell even my relatively decent Dell laptop with a nvidia card doesn't run gnome shell with any reasonable speed (if you count clicking on something and it responding 17 seconds (yes I timed it) later workable).
AFAIK, you can use "old school gnome" with gnome 3 as well. The gnome-panel, metacity etc. are not going to be obsoleted...
That's what I meant by "gnome-2" and I realise that.
Peter
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