Hi, I just got back from testing a bit rawhide and new Firefox 3 works great and one thing I noticed is that there is a flash plugin in rawhide. I didn't know about swfdec project [1] before only about gnash [2]. I tested a bunch of flash video sites and I only got flash based ads to play. Every video I tried it failed - file plays but only audio. Is this an isolated bug I came across or swfdec is just too early in development to be able to play videos?
Will there be an easy way of installing flash proprietary plugin (as much as we hate it all) if swfdec has no ability to play flash videos? Because users expect that things JustWork, especially their precious youtube :)
Sites I tested and got no video: http://fedoratv.com http://www.ted.com http://www.youtube.com/ http://www.redtube.com http://www.metacafe.com http://www.videojug.com http://sclipo.com/ http://www.blip.tv http://www.dailymotion.com http://video.google.com/ http://crackle.com http://www.revver.com http://www.veoh.com/ http://video.msn.com
[1] http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/ [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
Cheers, Valent
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 15:06 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
Hi, I just got back from testing a bit rawhide and new Firefox 3 works great and one thing I noticed is that there is a flash plugin in rawhide. I didn't know about swfdec project [1] before only about gnash [2]. I tested a bunch of flash video sites and I only got flash based ads to play. Every video I tried it failed - file plays but only audio. Is this an isolated bug I came across or swfdec is just too early in development to be able to play videos?
Will there be an easy way of installing flash proprietary plugin (as much as we hate it all) if swfdec has no ability to play flash videos? Because users expect that things JustWork, especially their precious youtube :)
You're missing the FLV demuxer and FLV decoders, which are present in gstreamer-ffmpeg (which you can find on Livna, in their development repository for example).
There's a feature request about adding missing-plugins support to swfdec, see: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14040
Cheers
Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 15:06 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
Hi, I just got back from testing a bit rawhide and new Firefox 3 works great and one thing I noticed is that there is a flash plugin in rawhide. I didn't know about swfdec project [1] before only about gnash [2]. I tested a bunch of flash video sites and I only got flash based ads to play. Every video I tried it failed - file plays but only audio. Is this an isolated bug I came across or swfdec is just too early in development to be able to play videos?
Will there be an easy way of installing flash proprietary plugin (as much as we hate it all) if swfdec has no ability to play flash videos? Because users expect that things JustWork, especially their precious youtube :)
You're missing the FLV demuxer and FLV decoders, which are present in gstreamer-ffmpeg (which you can find on Livna, in their development repository for example).
There's a feature request about adding missing-plugins support to swfdec, see: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14040
Cheers
So there is really going to be proprietary free flash in fedora? Whoow, great news!
Valent
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 16:32 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
So there is really going to be proprietary free flash in fedora? Whoow, great news!
Flash video is going to be pretty much impossible to support in Fedora itself. The best we can do here is to add codeina support and then
a) hope that fluendo or somebody else offer a legal flash video codec via that channel
and/or
b) someone adds third-party repository support to codeina and we leave it to the users to find the right repositories
Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 16:32 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
So there is really going to be proprietary free flash in fedora? Whoow, great news!
Flash video is going to be pretty much impossible to support in Fedora itself. The best we can do here is to add codeina support and then
a) hope that fluendo or somebody else offer a legal flash video codec via that channel
and/or
b) someone adds third-party repository support to codeina and we leave it to the users to find the right repositories
I removed macromedia flash plugin and then installed swfdec and gstreamer-ffmpeg (both from livna) and under Fedora 8 nothing works, not even the audio. I saw that swfdec in F8 is 0.5.3 and in rawhide its 0.5.5 so maybe this is too old version...
I'll reboot to Rawhide and report back.
Cheers, Valent.
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 19:26 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
I removed macromedia flash plugin and then installed swfdec and gstreamer-ffmpeg (both from livna) and under Fedora 8 nothing works, not even the audio. I saw that swfdec in F8 is 0.5.3 and in rawhide its 0.5.5 so maybe this is too old version...
That swfdec for F8 your using is from livna I'm assuming, which doesn't have pulse audio or gstreamer support enabled.
Later, /B
2008/1/26 Brian Pepple bpepple@fedoraproject.org:
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 19:26 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
I removed macromedia flash plugin and then installed swfdec and gstreamer-ffmpeg (both from livna) and under Fedora 8 nothing works, not even the audio. I saw that swfdec in F8 is 0.5.3 and in rawhide its 0.5.5 so maybe this is too old version...
That swfdec for F8 your using is from livna I'm assuming, which doesn't have pulse audio or gstreamer support enabled.
Later, /B
Yes from livna. But one in Rawhide should work? As I said on swfdec mailing list it still doesn't work in rawhide even after installing all gstreamer plugins and gstreamer-ffmpeg
Am I missing something?
On Fedora 8 I tried also coping /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libswfdecmozilla.so from rawhide to fedora 8, just to see if it will work :) It didn't :)
Valent.
Valent Turkovic wrote:
Yes from livna. But one in Rawhide should work? As I said on swfdec mailing list it still doesn't work in rawhide even after installing all gstreamer plugins and gstreamer-ffmpeg
Am I missing something?
Can you keep the discussions in one list instead of cross posting and having simultaneous discussions on two different lists. You have been doing that repeatedly. fedora-test list would be appropriate for rawhide issues.
Rahul
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 20:21 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
2008/1/26 Brian Pepple bpepple@fedoraproject.org:
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 19:26 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
I removed macromedia flash plugin and then installed swfdec and gstreamer-ffmpeg (both from livna) and under Fedora 8 nothing works, not even the audio. I saw that swfdec in F8 is 0.5.3 and in rawhide its 0.5.5 so maybe this is too old version...
That swfdec for F8 your using is from livna I'm assuming, which doesn't have pulse audio or gstreamer support enabled.
Later, /B
Yes from livna. But one in Rawhide should work? As I said on swfdec mailing list it still doesn't work in rawhide even after installing all gstreamer plugins and gstreamer-ffmpeg
Am I missing something?
On Fedora 8 I tried also coping /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libswfdecmozilla.so from rawhide to fedora 8, just to see if it will work :) It didn't :)
Valent.
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Dunno whats wrong with your config, but for me under F8 its working flawlessly after I updated swfdec to rawhide version (the previous worked as well, only without audio and some videos, mostly those from youtube but accessed from elsewhere, didn't work).
Here's what I've got (you can safely ignore the *-devel packages): $ rpm -qa | grep swfdec swfdec-mozilla-0.5.5-2.fc9 swfdec-gtk-0.5.5-2.fc9 swfdec-0.5.5-2.fc9
$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer gstreamer-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.5-12.lvn8 gstreamer-tools-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.6-5.lvn8 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.6-7.fc8 gstreamer-python-0.10.8-2.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-pulse-0.9.5-0.4.svn20070924.fc8 gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.3-1.lvn8 gstreamer-devel-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-base-devel-0.10.15-1.fc8
Hope this helps you fix your problems. Also, I don't use the proprietary plugin, so swfdec is the only plugin installed that can handle flash.
Martin
2008/1/27 Martin Sourada martin.sourada@gmail.com:
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 20:21 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
2008/1/26 Brian Pepple bpepple@fedoraproject.org:
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 19:26 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
I removed macromedia flash plugin and then installed swfdec and gstreamer-ffmpeg (both from livna) and under Fedora 8 nothing works, not even the audio. I saw that swfdec in F8 is 0.5.3 and in rawhide its 0.5.5 so maybe this is too old version...
That swfdec for F8 your using is from livna I'm assuming, which doesn't have pulse audio or gstreamer support enabled.
Later, /B
Yes from livna. But one in Rawhide should work? As I said on swfdec mailing list it still doesn't work in rawhide even after installing all gstreamer plugins and gstreamer-ffmpeg
Am I missing something?
On Fedora 8 I tried also coping /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libswfdecmozilla.so from rawhide to fedora 8, just to see if it will work :) It didn't :)
Valent.
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Dunno whats wrong with your config, but for me under F8 its working flawlessly after I updated swfdec to rawhide version (the previous worked as well, only without audio and some videos, mostly those from youtube but accessed from elsewhere, didn't work).
Here's what I've got (you can safely ignore the *-devel packages): $ rpm -qa | grep swfdec swfdec-mozilla-0.5.5-2.fc9 swfdec-gtk-0.5.5-2.fc9 swfdec-0.5.5-2.fc9
$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer gstreamer-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.5-12.lvn8 gstreamer-tools-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.6-5.lvn8 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.6-7.fc8 gstreamer-python-0.10.8-2.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-pulse-0.9.5-0.4.svn20070924.fc8 gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.3-1.lvn8 gstreamer-devel-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-base-devel-0.10.15-1.fc8
Hope this helps you fix your problems. Also, I don't use the proprietary plugin, so swfdec is the only plugin installed that can handle flash.
Martin
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I just updated rawhide with latest updates and rebooted, and now it works. I'll test it a bit more and then report back.
Valent.
On Jan 27, 2008 2:40 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turkovic@gmail.com wrote:
2008/1/27 Martin Sourada martin.sourada@gmail.com:
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 20:21 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
2008/1/26 Brian Pepple bpepple@fedoraproject.org:
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 19:26 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
I removed macromedia flash plugin and then installed swfdec and gstreamer-ffmpeg (both from livna) and under Fedora 8 nothing works, not even the audio. I saw that swfdec in F8 is 0.5.3 and in rawhide its 0.5.5 so maybe this is too old version...
That swfdec for F8 your using is from livna I'm assuming, which doesn't have pulse audio or gstreamer support enabled.
Later, /B
Yes from livna. But one in Rawhide should work? As I said on swfdec mailing list it still doesn't work in rawhide even after installing all gstreamer plugins and gstreamer-ffmpeg
Am I missing something?
On Fedora 8 I tried also coping /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libswfdecmozilla.so from rawhide to fedora 8, just to see if it will work :) It didn't :)
Valent.
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Dunno whats wrong with your config, but for me under F8 its working flawlessly after I updated swfdec to rawhide version (the previous worked as well, only without audio and some videos, mostly those from youtube but accessed from elsewhere, didn't work).
Here's what I've got (you can safely ignore the *-devel packages): $ rpm -qa | grep swfdec swfdec-mozilla-0.5.5-2.fc9 swfdec-gtk-0.5.5-2.fc9 swfdec-0.5.5-2.fc9
$ rpm -qa | grep gstreamer gstreamer-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.5-12.lvn8 gstreamer-tools-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.6-5.lvn8 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.6-7.fc8 gstreamer-python-0.10.8-2.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-pulse-0.9.5-0.4.svn20070924.fc8 gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.3-1.lvn8 gstreamer-devel-0.10.15-1.fc8 gstreamer-plugins-base-devel-0.10.15-1.fc8
Hope this helps you fix your problems. Also, I don't use the proprietary plugin, so swfdec is the only plugin installed that can handle flash.
Martin
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I just updated rawhide with latest updates and rebooted, and now it works. I'll test it a bit more and then report back.
Valent.
Here is my report:
http://www.fedoratv.com - looks like it will start but it doesn't, just shows "buffering" http://www.ted.com - front page isn't rendered correctly, individual videos just don't start http://www.youtube.com/ - you need to click on video in order to see controls but it works ok! http://www.blip.tv - frontpage video works but other videos I click I see totem plugin loading instead of swfdec http://video.google.com/ - audio plays with black video screen http://www.redtube.com NSFW - videos don't play (looks also like buffering) http://www.metacafe.com - videos play but are wrong dimension, sometimes with full width but only 2 pixels high?!? http://www.videojug.com - totem plugin starts instead of swfdec ?!? http://sclipo.com/ - doesn't work http://www.dailymotion.com - works great http://crackle.com - after click nothing happens, not even video player controls show up http://www.revver.com - video plays but video is smaller that it should be http://www.veoh.com/ - video plays but "loading" message that shows buffering stays overlayed over the video the whole time http://video.msn.com - doesn't play video
On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 03:38 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: <snip>
Here is my report:
<snip>
http://www.blip.tv - frontpage video works but other videos I click I see totem plugin loading instead of swfdec
<snip>
http://www.videojug.com - totem plugin starts instead of swfdec ?!?
This means that the web page asked for a mime-type handled by Totem, rather than to be handled by whatever Flash plugin you're using.
File bugs if you think that's shouldn't be the case, along with a full URL. All the videos I tried on those sites are handled correctly by the Flash plugin, and not by Totem.
On Jan 28, 2008 12:24 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 03:38 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
<snip> > Here is my report: > <snip> > http://www.blip.tv - frontpage video works but other videos I click I > see totem plugin loading instead of swfdec <snip> > http://www.videojug.com - totem plugin starts instead of swfdec ?!?
This means that the web page asked for a mime-type handled by Totem, rather than to be handled by whatever Flash plugin you're using.
File bugs if you think that's shouldn't be the case, along with a full URL. All the videos I tried on those sites are handled correctly by the Flash plugin, and not by Totem.
This seams random. I see the same video next time I start firefox 3 beta that it loads swfdec and not totem... strange. Should I file bugs for firefox3 or totem?
On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 00:35 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Jan 28, 2008 12:24 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
On Sun, 2008-01-27 at 03:38 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
<snip> > Here is my report: > <snip> > http://www.blip.tv - frontpage video works but other videos I click I > see totem plugin loading instead of swfdec <snip> > http://www.videojug.com - totem plugin starts instead of swfdec ?!?
This means that the web page asked for a mime-type handled by Totem, rather than to be handled by whatever Flash plugin you're using.
File bugs if you think that's shouldn't be the case, along with a full URL. All the videos I tried on those sites are handled correctly by the Flash plugin, and not by Totem.
This seams random. I see the same video next time I start firefox 3 beta that it loads swfdec and not totem... strange. Should I file bugs for firefox3 or totem?
Include the URL and the source of the page and file bugs against Firefox. We'll see pretty quickly whether it's showing the right plugin.
Cheers
Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Sat, 2008-01-26 at 16:32 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
So there is really going to be proprietary free flash in fedora? Whoow, great news!
Flash video is going to be pretty much impossible to support in Fedora itself. The best we can do here is to add codeina support and then
a) hope that fluendo or somebody else offer a legal flash video codec via that channel
and/or
b) someone adds third-party repository support to codeina and we leave it to the users to find the right repositories
Just to be clear I did this:
mv /usr/lib/flash-plugin/libflashplayer.so \ /usr/lib/flash-plugin/libflashplayer.so.bad
yum install swfdec-mozilla -y yum install gstreamer-ffmpeg -y
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