Hi,
First I would suggest that we make sure that Workstation comes with a preinstalled backup app (I say this because Fedora 20 does not). If there is not one already, I vote for "Deja-Dup".
Another thing: now that we have California (calendar app), GNOME Contacts (contacts app), Bijiben (notes app) and GTG (tasks app), is time to preinstall Geary instead of Evolution. Right?
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Diogo Campos (cadastros) < cadastros@diogocampos.com.br> wrote:
Hi,
First I would suggest that we make sure that Workstation comes with a preinstalled backup app (I say this because Fedora 20 does not). If there is not one already, I vote for "Deja-Dup".
Another thing: now that we have California (calendar app), GNOME Contacts (contacts app), Bijiben (notes app) and GTG (tasks app), is time to preinstall Geary instead of Evolution. Right?
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Geary is nice, but it's not ready yet. Let's stick with Evolution at least until Geary grows support for GNOME Online Accounts.
I'll second that "not ready yet". Last time I tried Geary it hadn't support for message filters. That might be fine for domestic use, but I use Fedora at work where I need to filter my mail.
Does Geary have email filtering now?
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 06:50 +0100, Richard Turner wrote:
I'll second that "not ready yet". Last time I tried Geary it hadn't support for message filters. That might be fine for domestic use, but I use Fedora at work where I need to filter my mail.
Does Geary have email filtering now?
Geary is looking really nice and is much simpler than Evolution. I think it should be reconsidered after a year or so. GOA support is all but a necessity, and email filters would also be highly desirable. (Lack of email filters is the only reason I don't currently use it.)
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Diogo Campos (cadastros) cadastros@diogocampos.com.br wrote:
Hi,
First I would suggest that we make sure that Workstation comes with a preinstalled backup app (I say this because Fedora 20 does not). If there is not one already, I vote for "Deja-Dup".
Another thing: now that we have California (calendar app), GNOME Contacts (contacts app), Bijiben (notes app) and GTG (tasks app), is time to preinstall Geary instead of Evolution. Right?
I don't think we have to install tons of apps by default. The "installed by default" thing was an ugly workaround for "we don't have an application installer" now we have one so we should only install stuff that is really necessary.
I don't think we have to install tons of apps by default. The "installed by default" thing was an ugly workaround for "we don't have an application installer" now we have one so we should only install stuff that is really necessary.
I don't know if is easy to agree on what exactly is "really necessary"...
But, in fact, I was talking about preinstall Deja-Dup, and change Evolution by Geary. The other apps, I mentioned mostly to refer to the other functions that Evolution offers.
Sorry if I made this confusing. Really bad English here.
On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 22:13 +0200, drago01 wrote:
I don't think we have to install tons of apps by default. The "installed by default" thing was an ugly workaround for "we don't have an application installer" now we have one so we should only install stuff that is really necessary.
Deja Dup would be a good exception to this line of thinking. If it's not installed by default and configured to nag users to make backups, as in Ubuntu, then users will be less likely to create backups and more likely to lose their personal data.
Hi
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Diogo Campos (cadastros) wrote:
Hi,
First I would suggest that we make sure that Workstation comes with a preinstalled backup app (I say this because Fedora 20 does not). If there is not one already, I vote for "Deja-Dup".
As the maintainer of deja-dup and duplicity, I am not sure it is a great option. Duplicity still gets a lot of bug reports and upstream updates fixes some while breaking others in regular intervals. If Deja-Dup is default, it would need active contributions from Fedora.
Rahul
On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 19:57 -0003, Diogo Campos (cadastros) wrote:
Another thing: now that we have California (calendar app), GNOME Contacts (contacts app), Bijiben (notes app) and GTG (tasks app), is time to preinstall Geary instead of Evolution. Right?
Just curious - is this the plan? Is evolution going to be replaced with a set of applications that provide the same functionality? It'll be good to know, so that some of us that are quite dependent on evolution can start to slowly migrate away from it.
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Ankur Sinha sanjay.ankur@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 19:57 -0003, Diogo Campos (cadastros) wrote:
Another thing: now that we have California (calendar app), GNOME Contacts (contacts app), Bijiben (notes app) and GTG (tasks app), is time to preinstall Geary instead of Evolution. Right?
Just curious - is this the plan? [..]
No. This was just a suggestion from Diogo. Even if evolution would get replaced by a set of other apps by default .... that does not mean that evolution would go away. See my other mail about the software installer.
Hi drago01,
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 09:05 +0200, drago01 wrote:
No. This was just a suggestion from Diogo. Even if evolution would get replaced by a set of other apps by default .... that does not mean that evolution would go away. See my other mail about the software installer.
Thanks for the clarification.
Ankur Sinha píše v Po 09. 06. 2014 v 16:35 +1000:
On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 19:57 -0003, Diogo Campos (cadastros) wrote:
Another thing: now that we have California (calendar app), GNOME Contacts (contacts app), Bijiben (notes app) and GTG (tasks app), is time to preinstall Geary instead of Evolution. Right?
Just curious - is this the plan? Is evolution going to be replaced with a set of applications that provide the same functionality? It'll be good to know, so that some of us that are quite dependent on evolution can start to slowly migrate away from it. --
Hi Ankur, I don't think Evolution is going away. I don't even think they compete with Geary. It's a feature-rich groupware client for enterprise deployment, not an email client for an average user even though it can serve that quite well, too.
I think that the plan of GNOME is to bring simple apps to cover all the common tasks and yes, they will probably cover most of what Evo covers, but I suppose Evo will stay around for those who need more out of email, calendar,...
I can imagine that Geary will replace Evo as the default email client in Fedora. But I'm testing Geary quite regularly and don't think it should be in a shorter time frame than 1 year from now.
Jiri
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 16:25 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Hi Ankur, I don't think Evolution is going away. I don't even think they compete with Geary. It's a feature-rich groupware client for enterprise deployment, not an email client for an average user even though it can serve that quite well, too.
I think that the plan of GNOME is to bring simple apps to cover all the common tasks and yes, they will probably cover most of what Evo covers, but I suppose Evo will stay around for those who need more out of email, calendar,...
Yeah. Eventually, I'd expect even the various simple standalone apps to integrate with each other in some way - for example "Create event" in Geary to create an entry in the new California calendar app - it's really useful. I understand that the different applications will benefit average users that may only use a subset of the features that evolution provides.
I can imagine that Geary will replace Evo as the default email client in Fedora. But I'm testing Geary quite regularly and don't think it should be in a shorter time frame than 1 year from now.
Same here. I just tested Geary out, and I went straight back to Evo. I was just worried because I've been regularly filing bugs against Evo and was looking forward to the new fixes - the talk of replacing it caught me a little by surprise. :)
As a Fedora user since F8 and CentOS before that, I've been trying to wrap my head around the direction Fedora is taking. A good amount has just been trying to wrap my head around "what's going on" -- all the back and forth over the past few months has been anywhere from "a mouthful" to way over my head. Finding a wikipedia-style page explaining everything to me has not been straightforward, although I've only looked a bit. Having a kind of "easy button (TM)" that explains it all concisely and succinctly would be nice (or maybe I just need Captain Obvious' help. :) )
Realize that I'm a passive user, grateful for the free (beer and speech) OS that meets my needs. I appreciate the "general purpose OS" approach that Fedora has taken on over the past ten years. I'm also keenly aware that RHEL draws from Fedora, and that the "general purpose OS" part of Fedora is in order to attract a wide audience of developpers, sysadmins, etc. to the ecosystem so as to leverage their contributions, test out the base system and packages, and provide a real world test case for packages and what technical direction they need to go in and what kind of love and care they need. As in, I'm in the camp that uses Fedora as a quality product in its own right but knows that Fedora is basically a beta-test for RHEL, and I don't have a problem with that.
From what I have been able to let gel in my head is that Fedora is
shifting toward three core products: Server, Cloud, and Workstation.
Now here's what I'm currently trying to figure out:
- Will the Workstation be a rough analogue of the current main desktop product, and be not all that unfamiliar? - Will I be able to blissfully continue on with my usage of future Fedora versions in a roughly "general purpose OS" way? I understand that custom installation of software from the repositories, and playing around with settings, etc. would of course be de rigueur, but then that's already the case for me and I consider myself rather comfortable and adept at this task. - Will the Fedora repository(ies) continue more or less as they are, acting as a wonderful source of fantastic and diverse software, and basically permit myself and others like myself to continue enjoying Fedora? - As a derivative point to consider, will the other spins continue to exist, according to their maintainers' whims, desires, abilities to continue, etc.?
I want to continue using Fedora -- although this dramatic pronouncement supposes that I expect a dramatic change to Fedora is imminent, which I know is not the case. I don't care for Ubuntu, and not much interested in trying other distros since Fedora meets my needs fully and I'm rather comfortable with it.
Thanks!
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Donald Buchan malak@pobox.com wrote:
As a Fedora user since F8 and CentOS before that, I've been trying to wrap my head around the direction Fedora is taking. A good amount has just been trying to wrap my head around "what's going on" -- all the back and forth over the past few months has been anywhere from "a mouthful" to way over my head. Finding a wikipedia-style page explaining everything to me has not been straightforward, although I've only looked a bit. Having a kind of "easy button (TM)" that explains it all concisely and succinctly would be nice (or maybe I just need Captain Obvious' help. :) )
Realize that I'm a passive user, grateful for the free (beer and speech) OS that meets my needs. I appreciate the "general purpose OS" approach that Fedora has taken on over the past ten years. I'm also keenly aware that RHEL draws from Fedora, and that the "general purpose OS" part of Fedora is in order to attract a wide audience of developpers, sysadmins, etc. to the ecosystem so as to leverage their contributions, test out the base system and packages, and provide a real world test case for packages and what technical direction they need to go in and what kind of love and care they need. As in, I'm in the camp that uses Fedora as a quality product in its own right but knows that Fedora is basically a beta-test for RHEL, and I don't have a problem with that.
From what I have been able to let gel in my head is that Fedora is shifting toward three core products: Server, Cloud, and Workstation.
Now here's what I'm currently trying to figure out:
- Will the Workstation be a rough analogue of the current main desktop
product, and be not all that unfamiliar?
- Will I be able to blissfully continue on with my usage of future Fedora
versions in a roughly "general purpose OS" way? I understand that custom installation of software from the repositories, and playing around with settings, etc. would of course be de rigueur, but then that's already the case for me and I consider myself rather comfortable and adept at this task.
- Will the Fedora repository(ies) continue more or less as they are,
acting as a wonderful source of fantastic and diverse software, and basically permit myself and others like myself to continue enjoying Fedora?
- As a derivative point to consider, will the other spins continue to
exist, according to their maintainers' whims, desires, abilities to continue, etc.?
Well those questions can be answered with more or less one word "yes" ... there will be changes but currently nothing "dramatic" from the status quo (other then thee products instead of one) + spins.
Hi,
Looks like we have the same thoughts for our infra. "Create event" could mean a very serious solution for our event handling, why couldn't be in Evolution too? Moreover I see apps from our side that can blow lots of minds. Eg. we have already amazing apps.
We have an wonderful app called FedoCal. We have FedMsg. We have Evolution. So...what? Well, FedoCal can be our portal, openness, filtering report about events. FedMesg can be our handler - that through FAS can send even to a person in evolution mail format reminders, that appears in notification, and from that place I can select/mark as task, that gonna be inserted to my evolution. In return, when I select in evolution that task is done, it appears as a message and a notification if necessary in FedoCal, or sends a message that task/milestone done to the project leader....
If FedMesg would be able to use up .iCal or .ics (witch is possibly are already there), and mail format - that can mean also easier trac tiketts fill up (requests, handling, feedback), or wikipedia event pages.
All in all - we are very near to revolutionize our project, and communication within subprojects, community in all and within leaders. How magnificent would be to have a dedicated community messaging service that binds together mailinglists, task management, events....
What do you think?
Ty,
Zoltanh721
2014-06-09 18:03 GMT+02:00 Ankur Sinha sanjay.ankur@gmail.com:
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 16:25 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
Hi Ankur, I don't think Evolution is going away. I don't even think they compete with Geary. It's a feature-rich groupware client for enterprise deployment, not an email client for an average user even though it can serve that quite well, too.
I think that the plan of GNOME is to bring simple apps to cover all the common tasks and yes, they will probably cover most of what Evo covers, but I suppose Evo will stay around for those who need more out of email, calendar,...
Yeah. Eventually, I'd expect even the various simple standalone apps to integrate with each other in some way - for example "Create event" in Geary to create an entry in the new California calendar app - it's really useful. I understand that the different applications will benefit average users that may only use a subset of the features that evolution provides.
I can imagine that Geary will replace Evo as the default email client in Fedora. But I'm testing Geary quite regularly and don't think it should be in a shorter time frame than 1 year from now.
Same here. I just tested Geary out, and I went straight back to Evo. I was just worried because I've been regularly filing bugs against Evo and was looking forward to the new fixes - the talk of replacing it caught me a little by surprise. :) -- Thanks all for the clarifications, Warm regards, Ankur (FranciscoD)
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On Sun, 2014-06-08 at 19:57 -0003, Diogo Campos (cadastros) wrote:
Hi,
First I would suggest that we make sure that Workstation comes with a preinstalled backup app (I say this because Fedora 20 does not). If there is not one already, I vote for "Deja-Dup".
Another thing: now that we have California (calendar app), GNOME Contacts (contacts app), Bijiben (notes app) and GTG (tasks app), is time to preinstall Geary instead of Evolution. Right?
Hello Diogo,
California is under heavy development and is not even packaged yet, have you tried it yourself? Have you tried Geary on a daily basis either? Why is getting rid of Evolution a priority right now?
Some clarifications:
1- I am not a WG member (of course) and only did a suggestion (of course).
2- I have not written about throw away Evolution, only about preinstall Geary. It's waaay different.
3- Yes, I use Geary stable (0.6.0) in a daily basis, with IMAP and IMAP/GMail.
4- I know that California is still in development. Was talking about future.
Calm down, lovers. Calm down :)
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