Gnome Online Accounts is spyware. As simple as that.
You can remove those packages in all the other distributions, BUT NOT ON FEDORA.
Only Fedora can't handle it, the removal of the mentioned package would also remove gnome-shell.
This is oppression by design.
Since it is not possible to add custom OAuth providers to the Gnome Online Accounts GUI without rebuilding the source, I see no use for it personally. For me, it is spyware. I would never connect my machine to Google, Microsoft or any NSA outlets. No thank you.
hi
I ... don't know what to say to this. My only question would be does gnome online accounts transmit any info if you don't set it up? If it's not used, doesn't it just sit on the hard drive? Of course if you set it up, then it is probably going to connect to microsoft, google or whoever's servers to download email and the like. Also, it's free as in freedom software. I believe it's gplv3, although I might be wrong and it's gplv2 or lgpl, but in either case it's open source. Could the ability to add custom oAuth providers be added? If so, that would take care of your complaint about having to rebuild it.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
On 11/30/2016 6:40 AM, dwella@cock.li wrote:
Gnome Online Accounts is spyware. As simple as that.
You can remove those packages in all the other distributions, BUT NOT ON FEDORA.
Only Fedora can't handle it, the removal of the mentioned package would also remove gnome-shell.
This is oppression by design.
Since it is not possible to add custom OAuth providers to the Gnome Online Accounts GUI without rebuilding the source, I see no use for it personally. For me, it is spyware. I would never connect my machine to Google, Microsoft or any NSA outlets. No thank you. _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 12:40 +0000, dwella@cock.li wrote:
Gnome Online Accounts is spyware. As simple as that.
Hi, just out of interest, why do you think so? You know, without having any evidence, it's just your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.
Since it is not possible to add custom OAuth providers to the Gnome Online Accounts GUI without rebuilding the source,
What do you call "custom OAuth (2?) providers", please? Passing your own OAuth2 secrets is not the same as writing completely new OAuth2 providers, the code which manipulates the OAuth2 tokens.
By the way, GOA (GNOME Online Accounts) does not read your data in any extent, it offers the OAuth2 tokens to the applications which ask GOA for available accounts and those applications read your private data, not GOA itself.
Maybe it's due to the evolution-data-server, requiring GOA for its build, but do not split GOA-related code into a separate subpackage. I guess I can change it, though it requires some coordination to have it installed by default, at least for the Workstation and the like. Bye, Milan
On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 14:36 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:
Maybe it's due to the evolution-data-server, requiring GOA for its build, but do not split GOA-related code into a separate subpackage. I guess I can change it, though it requires some coordination to have it installed by default, at least for the Workstation and the like.
It's not just e-d-s, it's a dependency of control-center, which is a dependency of gnome-shell.
I think the original poster is just trolling, but I'll give a serious answer: we're not building a mix-and-match, you might be more interested in another distro if you want to disable core components of GNOME. gnome-online-accounts does not collect any personal data at all, so claiming that it is spyware is rather much. It's also totally optional: you can simply not use it. A cursory glance over the provided services would indicate that it's not just for connecting to Google stuff; I use it to connect to my company's IMAP/SMTP and ownCloud services.
Cheers,
Michael
On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 14:36 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: gnome-online-accounts does not collect any personal data at all so claiming that it is spyware is rather much.
Gnome Accounts works like a glue-stick - it connects your machine to the NSA botnet run by Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc.
As simple as that.
On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 14:36 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: I think the original poster is just trolling we're not building a mix-and-match, you might be more interested in another distro (...)
Excuse me Sir, Fedora's tying of hard coded NSA providers to the Gnome Desktop Environment harms competition between alternative provides, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice. The default providers are
* Google * Facebook * Flickr * Microsoft Account * Pocket * Foursquare
Just to give you an example: In the Microsoft VS the European Union case from 2009, the European Union fined Microsoft €561 million for tying Windows with Internet Explorer by default. I see a strange coincidence here.
On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 14:36 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: I use it to connect to my company's IMAP/SMTP and ownCloud services.
That's good for you. But again
1.) It is not possible for the end-user (or system administrators) to add custom, free providers without rebuilding from source.
2. ) System administrators can not disable certain NSA providers globally.
3.) No overview, no rights management. It remains unapparent for the end-user (or system administrator), what gnome accounts actually does with certain providers, and what applications it may affect, or if these applications should be allowed to use the given providers for their own services.
4.) Fedora harms the market competition, by prompting the end-user after the installation /or the first login to connect the machine with the NSA botnet, where it lists providers in an hard-coded order. GOOGLE IS ALWAYS FIRST.
This gnome-accounts "feature" is fishy as fuck, I therefore reserve the right to contact my local European Union Member of the Parliament in this suspicious case.
On 02/12/16 15:22, bitchplease@getbackinthe.kitchen wrote:
Excuse me Sir, Fedora's tying of hard coded NSA providers to the Gnome Desktop Environment harms competition between alternative provides, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice. The default providers are
- Flickr
- Microsoft Account
- Foursquare
While this is a troll, I must agree that adding generic IMAP/POP accounts is not presented in the default menu and is not obvious for non techie users to find and use.
Abis.
hi
I'm still trying to understand where all this NSA stuff is coming from. If you don't use it, how can it transmit anything as it hasn't been set up. If you use it, that's another thing entirely, and you're putting your trust in whichever company you go through. If this were true, which it isn't, not only fedora but every other distro that uses gnome would have spyware in it, and this is just illogical. My own distro, which I co develop with two other developers, would be spyware because we have a version which uses gnome. This would mean that since we're an accessibility focused distro we'd be encouraging disabled people to use spyware, and that's just ... oh I give up. If this is a trole, these people need to provide more evidence for their claims, this sounds like the more phanatical free software people's type of arguments, lots of claims but no hard proof. Not that I'm trying to start anything, since I know fedora is all about free software, but ... better stop there.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
On 12/2/2016 9:29 AM, Alexander Bisogianis wrote:
On 02/12/16 15:22, bitchplease@getbackinthe.kitchen wrote:
Excuse me Sir, Fedora's tying of hard coded NSA providers to the Gnome Desktop Environment harms competition between alternative provides, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice. The default providers are
- Flickr
- Microsoft Account
- Foursquare
While this is a troll, I must agree that adding generic IMAP/POP accounts is not presented in the default menu and is not obvious for non techie users to find and use.
Abis. _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
Hi Kendell, I would recommend just ignoring these guys. It is pretty clear from their email addresses that they are provocateurs just trying to provoke and cause a stir for the LOLs.
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From: "kendell clark" coffeekingms@gmail.com To: "Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop" desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 2:48:30 PM Subject: Re: Remove the chains of opression: Gnome Online Accounts is spyware
hi
I'm still trying to understand where all this NSA stuff is coming from. If you don't use it, how can it transmit anything as it hasn't been set up. If you use it, that's another thing entirely, and you're putting your trust in whichever company you go through. If this were true, which it isn't, not only fedora but every other distro that uses gnome would have spyware in it, and this is just illogical. My own distro, which I co develop with two other developers, would be spyware because we have a version which uses gnome. This would mean that since we're an accessibility focused distro we'd be encouraging disabled people to use spyware, and that's just ... oh I give up. If this is a trole, these people need to provide more evidence for their claims, this sounds like the more phanatical free software people's type of arguments, lots of claims but no hard proof. Not that I'm trying to start anything, since I know fedora is all about free software, but ... better stop there.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
On 12/2/2016 9:29 AM, Alexander Bisogianis wrote:
On 02/12/16 15:22, bitchplease@getbackinthe.kitchen wrote:
Excuse me Sir, Fedora's tying of hard coded NSA providers to the Gnome Desktop Environment harms competition between alternative provides, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice. The default providers are
- Flickr
- Microsoft Account
- Foursquare
While this is a troll, I must agree that adding generic IMAP/POP accounts is not presented in the default menu and is not obvious for non techie users to find and use.
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On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:22 PM, bitchplease@getbackinthe.kitchen wrote:
On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 14:36 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: gnome-online-accounts does not collect any personal data at all so claiming that it is spyware is rather much.
Gnome Accounts works like a glue-stick - it connects your machine to the NSA botnet run by Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc.
As simple as that.
By the choice of the user. If the user doesn't wish to connect it there is no impact what so ever. It's a choice.
On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 14:36 +0100, Milan Crha wrote: I think the original poster is just trolling we're not building a mix-and-match, you might be more interested in another distro (...)
Excuse me Sir, Fedora's tying of hard coded NSA providers to the Gnome Desktop Environment harms competition between alternative provides, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice. The default providers are
- Flickr
- Microsoft Account
- Foursquare
Just to give you an example: In the Microsoft VS the European Union case from 2009, the European Union fined Microsoft €561 million for tying Windows with Internet Explorer by default. I see a strange coincidence here.
There's no correlation between that and Fedora. There's no forcing you and no defaults. I also note that you leave out the Owncloud and "other" option which allows you to connect to self hosted alternatives. It's all completely opt in.
On Wed, 2016-11-30 at 14:36 +0100, Milan Crha wrote:h I use it to connect to my company's IMAP/SMTP and ownCloud services.
That's good for you. But again
1.) It is not possible for the end-user (or system administrators) to add custom, free providers without rebuilding from source.
Yes it is. Owncloud and other auth options like kerberos are custom providers that don't need rebuilding from source.
- )
System administrators can not disable certain NSA providers globally.
3.) No overview, no rights management. It remains unapparent for the end-user (or system administrator), what gnome accounts actually does with certain providers, and what applications it may affect, or if these applications should be allowed to use the given providers for their own services.
4.) Fedora harms the market competition, by prompting the end-user after the installation /or the first login to connect the machine with the NSA botnet, where it lists providers in an hard-coded order. GOOGLE IS ALWAYS FIRST.
This gnome-accounts "feature" is fishy as fuck, I therefore reserve the right to contact my local European Union Member of the Parliament in this suspicious case. _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: There's no correlation between that and Fedora. There's no forcing you and no defaults. (...) It's all completely opt in.
Nice try
The NSA agents are shilling in here as expected
Let's give this a try https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=775521
On Fri, 2016-12-02 at 16:29 +0000, Moses Goldsteinbergwitz wrote:
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: There's no correlation between that and Fedora. There's no forcing you and no defaults. (...) It's all completely opt in.
Nice try
The NSA agents are shilling in here as expected
Can we stop this thread right now, please ? It is only going to get worse if people keep replying.
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