On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:

The Workstation WG meeting will be held Wednesday 2016-09-28 at 11:00am EDT (1500 UTC).

The agenda looks a little light at the moment; I may have missed something obvious while working on other things. Corrections and additions are gratefully accepted:

• GNOME 3.22 crashes (Shell, webkitgtk4, other?)

• Talking points completion for Final needed https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_25_talking_points#Fedora_Workstation

More of a food for thought and heads up than anything urgent or needing a decision.

Cloud folks are looking to change atomic host deliverables from using LVM thinly provisioned storage for containers, to overlayfs (and XFS), for Fedora 26 [1]. The summary is:

- Overlayfs instead of dm-thin, continue to use XFS [2] - Installer default partitioning changes needed - Workstation may want to do the same thing

My take is to mimic what the cloud folks do, it'll make it easier to do the installer change; easier to explain to anyone who cares about such details; the test coverage will be broader.

What makes Workstation different down the road though, are upgrades. How, and whether, conventional installs are converted @ upgrade time to rpm-ostree based installs. So there may be a way to settle on a new layout that works well for both conventional and rpm-ostree installs, so that it's easier to do conversions at upgrade time, if that's a plausible use case in the distant and shiny future.

[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org/...

[2] The Docker device mapper storage driver uses XFS as the backing file system on thinly provisioned storage; so this would be a file system change for Workstation. It is possible to use ext4 on overlayfs, but there's some eye glazing considerations about inodes, and such, that you can ignore for now.