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Re: Screensavers in FC3
by Charles McColm 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 12:00, fedora-desktop-list-request(a)redhat.com wrote: > First, there was the issue of 3D screensavers bogging down machines that > couldn't handle them: I leave my FC machine running at a computer recycling centre where I help out and quite a few people have commented positively on them. I know it's silly, but the screen savers were one of the things that have helped us direct people away from Windows. It's not the only thing of course, but I have done a couple of FC installs just because people were impressed by the fact that they never saw the same screen saver twice. Those things said, some of the 3D savers probably should go (as well as some of the regular screen savers). FC does come with a lot of SS. Cheers, Chas

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Lock Screen in menu only works when screensaver is configured.
by Sindre Pedersen Bjordal 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

The other day I came across this weirdness. I pressed the lock screen button in the menu and nothing happened. Nothing, it didn't lock, it didn't display any message, nothing. I got into #Fedora and asked around, I was answered quickly, I didn't have my screen saver configured, that's why lock screen doesn't work. I found this rather silly. Locking the screen isn't the same as a screen saver. Screen savers pop up when you don't use your computer for a while. Lock screen however, is used to prevent other users accessing the computer while you're away. I don't use a screen I've disabled it in the screen saver settings, but I do want to lock screen from time to time. Is there any way we could separate the lock screen and the screen saver, so that when I press lock screen, it just works, regardless of my screen saver settings? I don't care what the screen displays when my screen is locked, I don't care at all. I just want it to lock. If it's not possible to separate them, at least give me some kind of message saying I should configure my screen saver, the last thing we want to happen is nothing at all. -- Sindre Pedersen Bjordal <foolish(a)fedoraforum.org> www.fedoraforum.org

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Re: proposal to remove the "Start Here" icon
by Paul Vandenberg 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

The first thing I do with a new setup is get rid of the 'Start Here' icon.

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RE: Screensavers in FC3
by Powell, James F CONT 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

Never get me wrong. I use the simplest 2d screensaver I can find. As long as something is on the screen and moves from time to time, it is sufficient. One of those awful Windows Screensavers where the logo just moves around on the screen would be sufficient for my purpose. I agree with the group as a whole that the screen savers really do need to be pared down, I just can't have them eliminated since I use Fedora as my desktop OS at work. Jim Powell L3 Communications GSI Senior Scientist/Engineer AV-8B Weapons Integration james.f.powell(a)navy.mil <mailto:james.f.powell@navy.mil> (760)939-9089 > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-desktop-list-bounces(a)redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-desktop-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Behdad > Esfahbod > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:21 > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > Subject: RE: Screensavers in FC3 > > > > In fact one of the basic reasons to move some screensavers out > has been that the OpenGL ones (at least) can keep CPU usage on > 100% on many machines, which contributes to the bill to pay and > for many laptops it increases the temperature considerably. > > behdad > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Powell, James F CONT wrote: > > > I think I through a monkey wrench in the discussion when I > > brought up that my jobsite requires a non-blank screen saver to > > be running on all platforms that are powered up. Of course > > because of this, we also can't take advantage of power > > management since that would result in a blank screen as well. > > > > Jim Powell > > L3 Communications GSI > > Senior Scientist/Engineer > > AV-8B Weapons Integration > > james.f.powell(a)navy.mil <mailto:james.f.powell@navy.mil> > > (760)939-9089 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: fedora-desktop-list-bounces(a)redhat.com > > > [mailto:fedora-desktop-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Nils > > > Philippsen > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:57 > > > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > > > Subject: Re: Screensavers in FC3 > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 14:20, Steven Garrity wrote: > > > > There was some talk a few months back about trimming down the > > > > screensavers in Fedora Core to a more sane number. > > > > > > > > First, there was the issue of 3D screensavers bogging down > > > machines that > > > > couldn't handle them: > > > > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2003-D > > > ecember/msg00088.html > > > > > > > > Then, I floated a proposal to pare down the included > screensavers: > > > > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-F > > > ebruary/msg00002.html > > > > > > > > Then, Bill Nottingham had my favourite proposal yet for the > > > > screensavers: > > > > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-F > > ebruary/msg00006.html > > > > > > Bill Nottingham <notting redhat com> wrote: > > > > > > > > xscreensaver - blank only, core > > > > xscreensaver-extras - everything else > > > > > > > > Simple, clean, avoids flamewars. > > > > > > > > > > Has there been any progress on this? Is it too late to do > something for FC3? > > > > >From my POV this whole issue is 80% rather trivial > (packaging) with 20% > > coding that needs to be done before that can be the case: > > > > - xscreensaver needs to revert to "blank screen" if the > user has chosen > > anything other than {disable screen saver, blank screen}, likewise > > xscreensaver-demo (which should rather be xscreensaver-config, > > ...-prefs, ...) should only let you enable or disable > blanking in that > > case > > - xscreensaver needs another means than X11 resources to let the > > preferences tool know about the installed hacks, messing around with > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver is very cumbersome and > > bug-prone. Something like a directory > /etc/xscreensaver/hacks.d where > > packages could just drop in small files describing their > hacks would be > > best IMO > > > > Both of these are not that trivial and would need to be accepted > > upstream down the road -- we don't want to maintain such > patches forever > > > > Nils > > > > --behdad > behdad.org > > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list >

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RE: Screensavers in FC3
by Powell, James F CONT 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

I think I through a monkey wrench in the discussion when I brought up that my jobsite requires a non-blank screen saver to be running on all platforms that are powered up. Of course because of this, we also can't take advantage of power management since that would result in a blank screen as well. Jim Powell L3 Communications GSI Senior Scientist/Engineer AV-8B Weapons Integration james.f.powell(a)navy.mil <mailto:james.f.powell@navy.mil> (760)939-9089 > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-desktop-list-bounces(a)redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-desktop-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Nils > Philippsen > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:57 > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > Subject: Re: Screensavers in FC3 > > > On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 14:20, Steven Garrity wrote: > > There was some talk a few months back about trimming down the > > screensavers in Fedora Core to a more sane number. > > > > First, there was the issue of 3D screensavers bogging down > machines that > > couldn't handle them: > > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2003-D > ecember/msg00088.html > > > > Then, I floated a proposal to pare down the included screensavers: > > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-F > ebruary/msg00002.html > > > > Then, Bill Nottingham had my favourite proposal yet for the > > screensavers: > > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-F ebruary/msg00006.html > > Bill Nottingham <notting redhat com> wrote: > > > > xscreensaver - blank only, core > > xscreensaver-extras - everything else > > > > Simple, clean, avoids flamewars. > > > > Has there been any progress on this? Is it too late to do something for FC3? >From my POV this whole issue is 80% rather trivial (packaging) with 20% coding that needs to be done before that can be the case: - xscreensaver needs to revert to "blank screen" if the user has chosen anything other than {disable screen saver, blank screen}, likewise xscreensaver-demo (which should rather be xscreensaver-config, ...-prefs, ...) should only let you enable or disable blanking in that case - xscreensaver needs another means than X11 resources to let the preferences tool know about the installed hacks, messing around with /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver is very cumbersome and bug-prone. Something like a directory /etc/xscreensaver/hacks.d where packages could just drop in small files describing their hacks would be best IMO Both of these are not that trivial and would need to be accepted upstream down the road -- we don't want to maintain such patches forever Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Red Hat / nphilipp(a)redhat.com "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- B. Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011

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RE: Screensavers in FC3
by Behdad Esfahbod 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

In fact one of the basic reasons to move some screensavers out has been that the OpenGL ones (at least) can keep CPU usage on 100% on many machines, which contributes to the bill to pay and for many laptops it increases the temperature considerably. behdad On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Powell, James F CONT wrote: > I think I through a monkey wrench in the discussion when I > brought up that my jobsite requires a non-blank screen saver to > be running on all platforms that are powered up. Of course > because of this, we also can't take advantage of power > management since that would result in a blank screen as well. > > Jim Powell > L3 Communications GSI > Senior Scientist/Engineer > AV-8B Weapons Integration > james.f.powell(a)navy.mil <mailto:james.f.powell@navy.mil> > (760)939-9089 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fedora-desktop-list-bounces(a)redhat.com > > [mailto:fedora-desktop-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Nils > > Philippsen > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:57 > > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > > Subject: Re: Screensavers in FC3 > > > > > > On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 14:20, Steven Garrity wrote: > > > There was some talk a few months back about trimming down the > > > screensavers in Fedora Core to a more sane number. > > > > > > First, there was the issue of 3D screensavers bogging down > > machines that > > > couldn't handle them: > > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2003-D > > ecember/msg00088.html > > > > > > Then, I floated a proposal to pare down the included screensavers: > > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-F > > ebruary/msg00002.html > > > > > > Then, Bill Nottingham had my favourite proposal yet for the > > > screensavers: > > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2004-F > ebruary/msg00006.html > > > > Bill Nottingham <notting redhat com> wrote: > > > > > > xscreensaver - blank only, core > > > xscreensaver-extras - everything else > > > > > > Simple, clean, avoids flamewars. > > > > > > > Has there been any progress on this? Is it too late to do something for FC3? > > >From my POV this whole issue is 80% rather trivial (packaging) with 20% > coding that needs to be done before that can be the case: > > - xscreensaver needs to revert to "blank screen" if the user has chosen > anything other than {disable screen saver, blank screen}, likewise > xscreensaver-demo (which should rather be xscreensaver-config, > ...-prefs, ...) should only let you enable or disable blanking in that > case > - xscreensaver needs another means than X11 resources to let the > preferences tool know about the installed hacks, messing around with > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver is very cumbersome and > bug-prone. Something like a directory /etc/xscreensaver/hacks.d where > packages could just drop in small files describing their hacks would be > best IMO > > Both of these are not that trivial and would need to be accepted > upstream down the road -- we don't want to maintain such patches forever > > Nils > --behdad behdad.org

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RE: Screensavers in FC3
by Powell, James F CONT 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

For the most part you have it. It is to insure that anyone walking into the room can see that the machines are on and locked. The other reason for this is security. If an unsecured person were to walk into the room, it is obvious what machines are powered up, this give the escort a bit of a heads up when coming into the room. Jim Powell L3 Communications GSI Senior Scientist/Engineer AV-8B Weapons Integration james.f.powell(a)navy.mil <mailto:james.f.powell@navy.mil> (760)939-9089 > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-desktop-list-bounces(a)redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-desktop-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Will Cohen > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 8:31 > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > Subject: Re: Screensavers in FC3 > > > Powell, James F CONT wrote: > > You know the only problem with that would be places like > where I work where if your computer is on, it is required to > have a screen saver, and that screen saver IS required to > make it obvious that the computer is on. Personally I don't > want to have to go out and find screen savers when there are > so many that are currently in the Fedora Core that handle > this requirement. Now I do also agree that a lot of the > clutter could be removed, but there does need to be some > non-blank screen savers left in. > > What is the logic behind this policy? Is this to make sure > that someone > doesn't leave a computer unsecured? If so, does the computer need to > show that the screen is locked or the person is logged out? Are KVM > forbidden? > > -Will > > > > > Jim Powell > > L3 Communications GSI > > Senior Scientist/Engineer > > AV-8B Weapons Integration > > james.f.powell(a)navy.mil <mailto:james.f.powell@navy.mil> > > (760)939-9089 > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: fedora-desktop-list-bounces(a)redhat.com > >>[mailto:fedora-desktop-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Steven > >>Garrity > >>Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:53 > >>To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > >>Subject: Re: Screensavers in FC3 > >> > >> > >>Ed Mack wrote: > >> > >>>>>>Simple, clean, avoids flamewars. > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>That's a nice way to handle it, but it's only really aimed > >> > >>at the geek > >> > >>>population. 'Bootstrapping GCC' isn't something many normal > >> > >>users do. > >> > >>>I like the idea of including a few 'pretty' screensavers > >> > >>the user can > >> > >>>choose to run from the control panel if they feel the urge > >> > >>to customise > >> > >>>- otherwise people can become disalusioned, and people will happily > >>>judge their first Linux experience by the quality of given > >> > >>screensavers. > >> > >>>A lot of the Xscreensavers need to be taken to the pasture > and shot, > >>>they are /so/ 1983 > >> > >> > >>I agree that a few simple/quality screensavers would be fine > >>to include > >>by default, but if the debate over which should stay will at > >>all delay > >>the removal of all the cruft, I'd say we go to blank-only. > >> > >>I think blank-only is a better default for now, and we can work on > >>getting a couple (probably just one good simple Fedora logo > >>screensaver) > >>back in later on. > >> > >>Steven Garrity > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > >>Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > >>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list >

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RE: Screensavers in FC3
by Powell, James F CONT 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

You know the only problem with that would be places like where I work where if your computer is on, it is required to have a screen saver, and that screen saver IS required to make it obvious that the computer is on. Personally I don't want to have to go out and find screen savers when there are so many that are currently in the Fedora Core that handle this requirement. Now I do also agree that a lot of the clutter could be removed, but there does need to be some non-blank screen savers left in. Jim Powell L3 Communications GSI Senior Scientist/Engineer AV-8B Weapons Integration james.f.powell(a)navy.mil <mailto:james.f.powell@navy.mil> (760)939-9089 > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-desktop-list-bounces(a)redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-desktop-list-bounces@redhat.com]On Behalf Of Steven > Garrity > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 7:53 > To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop > Subject: Re: Screensavers in FC3 > > > Ed Mack wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Simple, clean, avoids flamewars. > >>> > > > > > That's a nice way to handle it, but it's only really aimed > at the geek > > population. 'Bootstrapping GCC' isn't something many normal > users do. > > > > I like the idea of including a few 'pretty' screensavers > the user can > > choose to run from the control panel if they feel the urge > to customise > > - otherwise people can become disalusioned, and people will happily > > judge their first Linux experience by the quality of given > screensavers. > > A lot of the Xscreensavers need to be taken to the pasture and shot, > > they are /so/ 1983 > > > I agree that a few simple/quality screensavers would be fine > to include > by default, but if the debate over which should stay will at > all delay > the removal of all the cruft, I'd say we go to blank-only. > > I think blank-only is a better default for now, and we can work on > getting a couple (probably just one good simple Fedora logo > screensaver) > back in later on. > > Steven Garrity > > > -- > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list >

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fortran compiler for quadruple computation
by Muhammad Soofi 08 Jul '04

08 Jul '04

Dear Fedora users: I have a AMD64 FX51 processor based computer and want to use it for quadruple precision computation in Fortran language. The idea is to use the capabilities of the 64 bit processing of AMD64 (not quadruple support with 32 bit processor). Does anyone know of a free Fortran compiler with quadruple precision support for AMD64 under linux (Fedora)? Thank you. Regards, Muhammad A. Soofi __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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new window manager
by Sameer Kamat 07 Jul '04

07 Jul '04

Hi , I have a window manager that I would like to add as a drop down option during logon. On Fedora Core 1 with gdm-2.4.4.5 I just added a wm.desktop file in /etc/X11/dm/Sessions/ and it worked. But the same operation does not seem to work on FC2 ( gdm-2.6.0.0-3) Is there some package I am missing since the /etc/X11/dm directory was not present in my default FC2 installation. Please advise. Thanks, Sameer.

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