desktop October 2008

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Sudo for first user
by Rahul Sundaram 21 Jan '09

21 Jan '09

Hi You can add the following snippet to the fedora-desktop ks file into a init script to make sudo just work for the first user. It can't be added to %post since firstboot wouldn't have launched then. Let me know what you think: ----------------- # check for the first user and add it to user wheel and then to sudoers USER=$( grep 500 /etc/passwd | cut -d: -f1 ) GROUPS=$( groups $USER ) if ! groups $USER | grep -q wheel ; then usermod -a -G wheel $USER sed -i 's/# %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL/ %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL/' /etc/sudoers fi EOF ------------ Rahul

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Browser mode for nautilus
by Valent Turkovic 01 Nov '08

01 Nov '08

Hi, I have seen this discussed in Fedora marketing but not here or on the devel lists. On Fedora marketing list people agreed that this should be enabled: gconftool-2 --type boolean --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser true Should I post this as a feature request or is it enough just to post it here in this mailing list? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic

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Fedora 10 Preview live size
by Jesse Keating 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

Here is a diff to snap3, we've grown a bit. I do believe we're going to save some space on the solar stuff due to some splitting, but not sure how much that's going to save us: old has 989 packages new has 992 packages Growths: fedora-release-notes grew by 5370866 (37.59%) (14289838->19660704) fedora-logos grew by 699195 (59.03%) (1184567->1883762) gnome-packagekit grew by 280423 (5.04%) (5567592->5848015) sound-theme-freedesktop grew by 167772 (22.82%) (735044->902816) gstreamer-plugins-good grew by 146895 (5.41%) (2716290->2863185) system-config-firewall-tui grew by 110536 (6.14%) (1801412->1911948) gnome-panel grew by 102566 (1.07%) (9571877->9674443) PackageKit grew by 60422 (5.85%) (1033655->1094077) libwnck grew by 43592 (2.93%) (1487337->1530929) firstboot grew by 35566 (5.63%) (632064->667630) createrepo grew by 29548 (16.21%) (182298->211846) chkconfig grew by 29373 (4.90%) (599326->628699) mlocate grew by 27631 (15.28%) (180838->208469) libsndfile grew by 22388 (3.44%) (650994->673382) NetworkManager-glib grew by 16588 (5.78%) (286932->303520) libmtp grew by 14281 (3.13%) (456497->470778) NetworkManager-gnome grew by 12671 (1.45%) (871254->883925) gpgme grew by 11663 (1.66%) (704403->716066) telepathy-gabble grew by 9152 (1.34%) (681096->690248) gnome-menus grew by 8716 (1.28%) (681574->690290) libnetfilter_conntrack grew by 8256 (8.06%) (102486->110742) xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse grew by 6787 (41.47%) (16365->23152) PackageKit-yum grew by 6327 (2.00%) (317094->323421) PackageKit-glib grew by 5437 (1.80%) (302339->307776) system-config-boot grew by 4111 (2.72%) (151180->155291) PackageKit-udev-helper grew by 2397 (2.03%) (118211->120608) PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin grew by 2397 (1.86%) (128875->131272) PackageKit-yum-plugin grew by 2397 (2.00%) (120003->122400) libv4l grew by 2194 (1.27%) (172824->175018) obex-data-server grew by 2087 (1.04%) (201266->203353) anacron grew by 984 (1.78%) (55398->56382) libasyncns grew by 713 (1.41%) (50439->51152) Shrinkage: libgnome shrank by 997888 (33.44%) (3981635->2983747) yum shrank by 216318 (8.25%) (2839577->2623259) setroubleshoot-plugins shrank by 50255 (1.26%) (4030899->3980644) comps-extras shrank by 4580 (8.20%) (60427->55847) New packages: compat-db45: 2993619 plymouth-plugin-solar: 463693 iok: 93521 scim-rawcode: 49460 m17n-contrib-sinhala: 19016 m17n-db-sinhala: 14513 htmlview: 9526 m17n-contrib-urdu: 3733 Removed packages: compat-db: 8651457 xorg-x11-apps: 554390 ncurses: 253128 gstreamer-plugins-pulse: 92414 plymouth-plugin-spinfinity: 32477 -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating

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Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
by Martin Sourada 30 Oct '08

30 Oct '08

Hi, I've just built an updated Solar Backgrounds Package with many fixes provided by Mo, and more resolutions/ratios [1]. As per request from both gnome and kde folks the package has been split into solar-backgrounds (for Desktop Live Spin) solar-backgrounds-common (for KDE) and solar-backgrounds-extras (containing everything not included in the previous two). Since we are in freeze already (sorry for it, we could not make it in time) and the packages are rather big, I'd like you to test it first before I request a freeze break. You can d/l from koji [1]. Please report any problems, preferably on fedora-art-list or by mail to me directly. If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze break at Friday. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=68050

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Virt* , s-c-display , desktop-effects - Translation submission issues!
by Ankit Patel 27 Oct '08

27 Oct '08

Hi, Yesterday, 21st October 2008, was the deadline for completing the fedora 10 software translations. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-trans-tasks.html Packages like virt*, s-c-display, desktop-effects got some issues with respect to the submissions of the translations. So, we have filed bugs, where we (FLP - Fedora Localization Project team) attached the translations of different languages respectively. Now, it seems the translations are not yet landed into the actual upstream repositories! Could someone, who has got the access, please take those translations from the bugs and commit them in the VCS? Here are the list of bugs, we filed against respective packages: [desktop-effect] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=438033 [system-config-display] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=438122 [virt-ctrl] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467817 [virt-manager] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467808 [virt-df] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467809 [virt-inst] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467810 [virt-mem] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467811 [virt-p2v] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467818 [virt-top] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=467816 Thanks in advance! -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/

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A little over size on i686 Live
by Jesse Keating 24 Oct '08

24 Oct '08

Here is the diff, we're currently at 704M as of yesterday's rawhide. I haven't tried with today's rawhide as I was hoping yesterday's would be good enough for Snapshot 3. old has 988 packages new has 989 packages Growths: gnome-applets grew by 731182 (5.47%) (13370555->14101737) gnome-packagekit grew by 565153 (11.30%) (5002439->5567592) cheese grew by 211310 (6.51%) (3246100->3457410) eog grew by 182789 (3.99%) (4580749->4763538) gnome-terminal grew by 174122 (3.14%) (5548679->5722801) iwl3945-firmware grew by 150047 (48.89%) (306901->456948) system-config-printer-libs grew by 140830 (4.97%) (2832563->2973393) gnome-utils grew by 133484 (1.16%) (11495787->11629271) libgphoto2 grew by 132948 (3.54%) (3755582->3888530) gnome-keyring grew by 107495 (4.68%) (2296798->2404293) empathy grew by 81642 (2.78%) (2935175->3016817) nss grew by 53708 (1.75%) (3074879->3128587) policycoreutils grew by 42852 (1.17%) (3676955->3719807) hal-info grew by 15788 (2.58%) (611608->627396) obex-data-server grew by 8835 (4.59%) (192431->201266) PackageKit-yum grew by 5948 (1.91%) (311146->317094) im-chooser grew by 5867 (2.55%) (229781->235648) libsoup grew by 5435 (1.03%) (526114->531549) libgsf grew by 4736 (1.62%) (292917->297653) xorg-x11-drv-evdev grew by 3808 (17.16%) (22190->25998) PackageKit-udev-helper grew by 2990 (2.60%) (115221->118211) PackageKit-yum-plugin grew by 2990 (2.56%) (117013->120003) PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin grew by 2990 (2.38%) (125885->128875) gvfs-fuse grew by 1760 (6.99%) (25192->26952) xorg-x11-drv-elographics grew by 252 (1.47%) (17172->17424) Shrinkage: libpurple shrank by 298001 (1.40%) (21574311->21276310) plymouth shrank by 6410 (8.60%) (80906->74496) xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse shrank by 256 (1.56%) (16621->16365) New packages: solar-backgrounds: 39223909 PackageKit-glib: 302339 plymouth-plugin-spinfinity: 32477 plymouth-scripts: 3645 Removed packages: echo-icon-theme: 7923856 plymouth-plugin-solar: 491283 PackageKit-libs: 299361 -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating

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gnome-wm and "compiz ... glib gconf" vs "compiz ... ccp"
by Axel Thimm 20 Oct '08

20 Oct '08

Hi, some of the compiz plugins will not work properly unless compiz is started with the ccp plugin instead of glib/gconf. The only clean way to do that is to replace compiz after gnome-wm has started with the pther parameters, but this delays the login and looks like it fires up /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/*.desktop twice. compiz-manager and fusion-icon also start compiz with ccp. Would it make sense to do so in gnome-wm to start with? I currenlty run a could of systems patched that way, but the next gnome-session update will nuke these changes, so I kindly ask to consdier fo upstream :) Thanks! -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

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Echo Icon Theme Future
by Martin Sourada 20 Oct '08

20 Oct '08

Hi, the last week's discussion about Echo was pretty fruitful I think and showed that the general opinion is to not include Echo in F10 as a default icon set. I take this as an opportunity to rethink the general goals of echo and "give some credit" to various critics. The main reason why *I* think not to have Echo in F10 as default is incomplete coverage of other-than-48x48-px sizes and shortcomings of the scalable icons that are supposed to fill the gap. We're slowly but steadily improving that and I think Echo should not be submitted for inclusion in Fedora as default icon set before this issue is resolved. Next there is a general coverage where we are already close to gnome upstream icon set. We will be improving that as well. I'd like to focus on (nearly) full coverage of Desktop Live Spin, KDE Live Spin and XFCE Live Spin (others as well, but I don't have them all in memory). So if you are missing echo styled icons in your favourite application that is included in one of those spins, feel free to file a bug [1]. It will not be handled instantly, but it helps us deciding what icons need to be done ;-) That also pretty much summarize our main goal, which is similar to what tango project has, to cover various desktops with one icon set. Finally I'd like to throw some fuel for discussion (mainly on the art-list). We are a lot criticized for inconsistencies in the projection we use in echo. Strictly speaking we are using 3 different types of projections and we have rules which is used where and we are pretty much consistent with that. Especially we do not introduce any other different projections to these and thus trying to keep the set consistent. In that we are even better than gnome - I discovered a few of icons there that does not adhere to their projection guidelines and have their own (though usually only slightly different from the main types). But on the other side it turns out that having three main types of projections is too much for an icon set and that having two is about the right number. So I started discovering the idea a bit more [2] with the hope to come to some conclusions (in the future) about echo projection guidelines. I am thinking about creating a parallel icon set that would use echo guidelines sans the projection ones, but I have not yet decided on the used type of projections. My top candidate currently is perspective projection from a similar viewpoint as used by gnome icon theme - that would much improve our coexistence with it. I am attaching proof of concept icon sketches following this projection rule. I plan to explore other types of projections as well and write another blog post (a follow-up to [2]) later (but it will take some time, since I don't have much spare time available for echo lately). Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/newticket [2] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/10/echo-icon-theme-perspective-part…

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Repositioning the gdm greeter window
by Axel Thimm 19 Oct '08

19 Oct '08

Hi, I've been less than successful in moving the greeter window, and I've tried a lot. I already spend half a day with changing the background :( It looks like I need some gtk+ themeing magic to do that, could someone please help out? Thanks! -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

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Re: Echo Icon Theme in F10?
by Martin Sourada 17 Oct '08

17 Oct '08

First of all, thanks for the review, it pretty much outlines the issues I feel uneasy about as well. First, most of these issues are caused by SVG icon being scaled down (sometimes for a reason unknown to me and sometimes because of missing appropriate size variant). So I skip these, because we need to just finish other size and adjust them a little to keep them in sync with other icons. I seriously doubt we'll fix those in time for F10. Now, for the rest. The delete icon - yes, it looks different and I proposed we change it to something other. The discussion was postponed for after F10 release. The close icon on tabs - yes, it is chopped off and I don't understand why. It has correct size and the icon itself isn't chopped off, but in *some* applications it looks this way :-/ The door icon - the doors are slightly opened, perhaps too little, and behind there is a black space. The two pixel width outline is because both door and the door-hole has it's own outline. I agree, it might need improvement. System->Administration - yep, it probably needs rework to better fit with the style. Shut Down - dunno if you remember, but at the time it was being created there were a lot of submission and for some reason we chose this on. But even after a half a year (IIRC) of seeing it everyday it looks a bit weird me. Network - yep, an old style one. We need to use the new styled monitors for these... Palm - agreed Volume - I accepted it back when we were creating it, but it seems to me it actually uses different perspective from other icons... Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice = pain, while firefox being the best... Basically the toolbar icons are pretty much themable in firefox, thunderbird needs theme, openoffice needs theme. Not a decent citizens. Seeing that our mail client of choice is Evolution though, which works good with Echo, I'd guess Thuderbird hasn't the highest priority (and it does not even fit with the F9 default icon theme). For openoffice we would probably need to symlink/copy the echo icons into echo icon theme for openoffice... I don't know, how they handle it. I'd very much like to hear Luya's opinion, but I don't feel like supporting Echo for F10 as default much longer... Martin

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