Hey, folks. So I've been doing some preliminary thinking about testing
GNOME 3 for F15; obviously it's one of the most significant and
potentially disruptive changes.
My preliminary idea is that there are possibly two different areas to
cover with test days: the Shell, and everything else. I think we can
focus on the Shell as one topic, and then on testing other apps in the
GNOME 3 environment as another; running them and making sure they work
and all expected operations are possible and covering potential issues
with GTK 3 and gsettings and so on.
We could (and probably should) run multiple test days on each topic;
maybe two or three for each.
What does everyone think of this as a general plan? When do you think it
would be best to start up with Test Days? My feeling with Rawhide right
now is that's probably too messy to get useful feedback from Test Days
yet; maybe shortly post-Alpha would be a good time to start up. But you
might have better ideas of when things should be present in at least
basically-working form. Thanks!
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The appearance menu item has disappeared from the menu panel. Now there
are individual items for a few things that used to be in appearance.
Is this intentional behavior? If so, what is the new recommended way to
change themes?
I just updated Rawhide with 2010-11-19 packages, and after the reboot,
all my GNOME appearance preferences are no longer honored.
I had all fonts changed to Droid, icon theme changed to Tango, and set
to display text only on buttons (not icons), and no icons in menus.
After the reboot, none of these are being honored. I note they're not
listed in gconf-editor any more; if I look in dconf-editor, matching
settings are present and appear to be set to what I want (Tango theme,
Droid fonts etc) but these settings do not seem to be taking effect.
Is this a bug? Known? Note that I'm using metacity rather than
gnome-shell as I can't run gnome-shell in Rawhide ATM.
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Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org
http://www.happyassassin.net
Hi
I just installed F14 via netinstall today and evolution is being killed by
signal 11 (SIGSEGV) immediately upon being run, be it from the launch icon
at the top of the screen, from the Applications menu, or from the command
line.
I have submitted a comment on bug 596916
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=596916, which was essentially
the same thing for another user under F13.
Of course as root did "yum remove evolution" and "yum install evolution"
hoping that the initial install could have somehow become corrupted or
otherwise poorly installed, but no surprise the new install gives
identical results. I have not added any plugins yet.
My specs:
F14, desktop only install, gnome, generally unmodified (ie. only a few
common desktop settings changed and one or two pieces of software added
straight off the repos);
1 gig memory;
P4 2.8;
40 gig HD, that I suspect may be acting up;
Dell Optiplex something or other, one of the cute compact mini-towers,
which has had F10-F12 on it as well as Ubuntu 8.04 before that (briefly!)
and even more briefly before that CentOS 5.4;
Obviously, I'm using a wired connection to my router to my DSL modem to my
Internet supplier
All packages are up to date -- just checked even though I did a network
install just this afternoon.
My home directory was transplanted from my F12 install, including the
hidden directories, so I imagine that the machine conceivably could be
having difficulty with something leftover from the .evolution directory,
but I would have not clue what to look for.
Obviously I have not been able to go through any setup information with
the initial setup wizard (ie. accounts, mail servers, email addy, user,
etc.) that I expect to have to go through.
Has anyone experienced this or a similar problem?
Hey, folks. Just wanted to flag up this bug before we hit the change
deadline:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623824
it seems that the default policy for multiple monitors in current F14 is
not to use them at all (see
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623824#c15 ). On the face of
it, this seems like an unintentional change from previous policy. Is
this actually the case? If so, can someone submit a fix, quick? :) If
it's an intentional change, it should be announced/documented for the
release...
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Fedora QA Community Monkey
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http://www.happyassassin.net
Hi, i think this is my first post in this list after years on it XD.. anyway...
I had a chat (or more like.. an argument?) with my colleague in my
company about what Fedora lack in term of user experience which made
Ubuntu stand out more for normal users. He's an Ubuntu user, a
developer who view stuff from a non-technical, end user perspective,
who everytime he try to move to Fedora, Fedora's current state
always turned him off. Of course, he knows that he
can modify that himself, but thats not the point here, as we are
talking about user experience for a non-technical person.
So i thought of sharing the stuff he raised, hopefully someone who
have the resources (time/skill) to improve this read this and improve it:
1) Polish
While technically, Fedora desktop have almost the same apps Ubuntu
desktop have, however, Fedora desktop apps fell behind in term of
polish. 'Polish' here includes:
* icon set
Fedora icon set, which uses Tango, is not user-friendly. Take for
example the notification area, in Fedora, our notification area is a
mix of colorful icons from many applications, which - doesnt look good
on the panel - but more importantly - makes the notification area
confusing and less useful. - the approach in Ubuntu, and in Mac, is
that application icons, especially those which have system tray icons,
are standardized in a particular style guideline. When a notification
area icon is idle, the icon uses a faded out scheme, but when theres a
notification, they switches to a brighter colored scheme
Similar rule apply to applications which involves notification such as
messenger, email, etc.
* application defaults
In Fedora, probably because of our upstream mantra, our application
usually uses whatever default configuration upstream provided. While
this works for technical people who knows (or bother to) change their
settings, a non-technical person would want a sane, usable defaults
when they first launch the application, which will allow them to do
the common tasks associated with the application without the need to
figure out how to configure it.
2) application feedback
Ok, i think this mainly apply to Fedora's packagekit, but probably
other apps too. Our packagekit UI lack of feedback, such as no
download progressbar, and the current task info is too vague. It
happens a lot where packagekit simply showing "downloading repository
information" .. but only remain like that until everything are
downloaded... if you are in a slow network, the user experience become
very bad as the lack of feedback made user anxious on whether
something is working, or not working. Its agreeable that user are not
supposed to care about the internal details, however, some sort of
feedback gives the user assurance that the application is working or
not.. Application feedback for events such as a usb device is
connected or unmounted, new hardware detected also makes a difference
in user experience..
=====
Thats it for now i guess.. i'll post more if i end up arguing stuff
with the colleague about fedora again XD ..
Hope this post will be useful for someone :-)
--
Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail / KageSenshi
Inigo Consulting (FOSS/Plone Development, Training & Services)
http://www.inigo-tech.com
Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
http://blog.kagesenshi.org
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Hi, i think this is my first post in this list after years on it XD.. anyway...
I had a chat (or more like.. an argument?) with my colleague in my
company about what Fedora lack in term of user experience which made
Ubuntu stand out more for normal users. He's an Ubuntu user, a
developer who view stuff from a non-technical, end user perspective,
who everytime he try to move to Fedora, Fedora's current state keep
always turn him off everytime he tried. Of course, he knows that he
can modify that himself, but thats not the point here, as we are
talking about user experience for a non-technical person.
So i thought of sharing the stuff he raised, hopefully someone who
have the resources (time) to improve this read this and improve it:
1) Polish
While technically, Fedora desktop have almost the same apps Ubuntu
desktop have, however, Fedora desktop apps fell behind in term of
polish. 'Polish' here includes:
* icon set
Fedora icon set, which uses Tango, is not user-friendly. Take for
example the notification area, in Fedora, our notification area is a
mix of colorful icons from many applications, which - doesnt look good
on the panel - but more importantly - makes the notification area
confusing and less useful. - the approach in Ubuntu, and in Mac, is
that application icons, especially those which have system tray icons,
are standardized in a particular style guideline. When a notification
area icon is idle, the icon uses a faded out scheme, but when theres a
notification, they switches to a brighter colored scheme
Similar rule apply to applications which involves notification such as
messenger, email, etc.
* application defaults
In Fedora, probably because of our upstream mantra, our application
usually uses whatever default configuration upstream provided. While
this works for technical people who knows (or bother to) change their
settings, a non-technical person would want a sane, usable defaults
when they first launch the application, which will allow them to do
the common tasks associated with the application without the need to
figure out how to configure it.
2) application feedback
Ok, i think this mainly apply to Fedora's packagekit, but probably
other apps too. Our packagekit UI lack of feedback, such as no
download progressbar, and the current task info is too vague. It
happens a lot where packagekit simply showing "downloading repository
information" .. but only remain like that until everything are
downloaded... if you are in a slow network, the user experience become
very bad as the lack of feedback made user anxious on whether
something is working, or not working. Its agreeable that user are not
supposed to care about the internal details, however, some sort of
feedback gives the user assurance that the application is working or
not.. Application feedback for events such as a usb device is
connected or unmounted, new hardware detected also makes a difference
in user experience..
=====
Thats it for now i guess.. i'll post more if i end up arguing stuff
with the colleague about fedora again XD ..
Hope this post will be useful for someone :-)
--
Mohd Izhar Firdaus Bin Ismail / KageSenshi
Inigo Consulting (FOSS/Plone Development, Training & Services)
http://www.inigo-tech.com
Fedora Malaysia Contributor & Ambassador
http://blog.kagesenshi.org
92C2 B295 B40B B3DC 6866 5011 5BD2 584A 8A5D 7331