desktop September 2010

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why no new GNOME 3 snapshot in F14?
by Colin Walters 01 Oct '10

01 Oct '10

I just had a discussion with Owen about the state of F14+gnome-shell, and wanted to give an update on why we decided not to try updating it from the current state (last updated Jul 13), and concentrate on F15 instead. So most of the development has been happening in git/jhbuild, and we haven't even managed to get rawhide updated due to the XULRunner changes (work on rawhide is proceeding now, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=622896 for the curious). Now, multiple things would need to occur for F14: - Separate clutter 1.4 parallel install package Impact on critical path: None. Sort of ugly is the only thing. - Updated GTK3 package Impact on critical path: Low/None (some things in F14 oddly require gtk3 that shouldn't, like seed...needs investigation). But we'd *also* have to look at either updating packages like gnome-desktop3 (or removing them). - gobject-introspection 0.9.5+ This implies simple rebuilds of a lot of packages for the lookaside GIR/.typelib data, which is straightforward. However, updating to this version also implies pulling in a new pygobject, which has had quite a bit of code changes. Upstream feels confident, but it's just one thing that weighs against an update (a possible alternative path is to disable introspection from pygobject). So the alternative here is: - Add a warning/note to F14 gnome-shell that it's old and to: - Make it easier and better to run F15/rawhide. Which involves fixing the problems there, and scripting the rpm/yum foo better to make the switch, and being a lot more aggressive about preventing regressions.

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f13 => rawhide upgrade notes
by Owen Taylor 28 Sep '10

28 Sep '10

Since there is so much that's going to be new in Fedora 15 compared to Fedora 14 (GNOME 3, GTK+-3, systemd, NetworkManager-0.9, and so on), the Red Hat desktop team wanted to get an early start on running the new stuff even before Fedora 14 is out. So, I spent a few hours last night and this morning upgrading my primary laptop from Fedora 13 to Rawhide. Generally worked better than I might have expected... without too much work I got to a system that seems basically usable. One big caveat is that the result of a F14 => rawhide upgrade is a messy hybrid - $ rpm -qa | grep fc14 | wc -l 631 $ rpm -qa | grep fc15 | wc -l 701 It's not nearly a pure F15 system yet. So, I thought I should dump out notes of the procedure I used and a few snags I hit to help anybody else on the same path. Upgrade procedure ================= Step 1: Used preupgrade to upgrade from f13 to f14 Worked apparently perfectly, very slick experience (Only real wart was that for encrypted root Anaconda has a "Enter passphrase to decrypt" [ ] This is a global passphrase" dialog, and the "global passphrase" thing is pretty hard to understand. "Use this passphrase for all partitions" ? Or just try it on the other partitions and ask me then if it didn't work?) Step 2: Installed fedora-release-rawhide, disabled f14, enabled rawhide Step 3: Switched to a VT and ran 'yum update --skip-broken' (I actually first tried 'telinit 3' and that didn't work right - the GNOME session was left up, VT's were gone, and the system hung when I then tried to reboot. Wonder if something got broken with the upstart => systemd => upstart adventure>) I had to remove a handful of various packages to get this to work, but I think they were all local builds or stuff I installed from 3rd party repositories. Step 4: reboot Things were mostly working at this point, Fixing the result ================= * I was left without a link from /usr/bin/emacs-<version> to /usr/bin/emacs, so I had to create that manually. * gtk3-engines didn't get installed on the upgrade, so I had to install that manually. * The GTK+ 3 module for ibus seems to be more or less broken. I had to remove ibus to get gtk3 applications to run without crashing. (Setting /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk-im-module to gtk-im-context-simple might have work, but didn't immediately seem to for some reason, and I needed to get to a less crashy state.) * Accessibility modules were producing a ton of bad looking spew and dconf-editor had a gail/treeview related crash. I couldn't figure out if there is a way of turning off accessibility entirely through the new control center, so I turned off /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility. Strangely I had to log out and log in before GTK+ apps stopped loading the accessibility modules. g-s-d bug? * All outgoing ssh was hanging - turned out that gnome-keyring-prompt was hanging weirdly inside g_once_enter_init(); when I finally saw stderr, it was obviously a need for a rebuild because of struct size changes in gtk3. So, fired off a rebuild of gnome-keyring in koji. Also noted: 'killall gnome-settings-daemon' kills nm-applet, and leaves it in a state where it doesn't recover even after restarting g-s-d, until you log out and log back in. Weird.

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Showing CC-BY attribution in background chooser
by Martin Sourada 23 Sep '10

23 Sep '10

Hi, we, at the design team, are searching for a way to add attribution to wallpapers. We'd like to display it in the tooltip that appears in when you hoover over an wallpaper in backgrounds chooser in a similar format that KDE does it, e.g. <b><wallpaper name></b> Author: <author name> <basic image info> Folder: <path to where the image is> As you see, it only adds the 'Author:' line to what already is there. Is there some way to do it currently, or would we need to write a patch to background chooser? Plus, is there any place where I can get the DTD file that's used as DOCTYPE in all XMLs in /usr/share/gnome-background-properties: <!DOCTYPE wallpapers SYSTEM "gnome-wp-list.dtd"> I cannot find it anywhere (hence the reason why I ask if there already IS a way)... Thanks, Martin

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Fedora 14 Beta RC2 (inc. live) available for desktop testing
by Adam Williamson 23 Sep '10

23 Sep '10

Hey, everyone. So, it's time for pre-release testing again! I know this didn't work perfectly for Alpha, but I've got together with releng and tightened up processes and it should be better for Beta. So: right now, here: http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/14-Beta.RC2/Live/ you will find live images for all of the desktop spins (KDE, XFCE, LXDE, Desktop) for RC2 of Fedora 14 Beta. I have tested them, and all four at least boot in a VM, so they're not completely broken like some of the Alpha images :) I also tested KDE and Desktop on bare metal, and I think Christoph has LXDE booted on bare metal right now, so we're pretty sure these are working at a basic level. You won't be wasting a download :) So with these spins we need to fill out these tables: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test As you can see, I've made a start on this already, but there's many tests to fill out. We absolutely need to fill out all the Alpha and Beta tests for each spin. It would be great to also do the Final tests, as this gives us a head start on identifying and fixing blocker issues for the final release. If people could do some of these tests over the next few days (by Wednesday) that would be awesome. Also note that I'm running a session at FUDCon Zurich this afternoon where we'll hopefully be able to get together and fill out some of the table, so if you're at FUDCon, come out to my session at 2pm :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Some questions
by Gendre Sebastien 22 Sep '10

22 Sep '10

Hello everybody. _o/ (I'm new here) I have somes questions about Fedora: - Why Avahi service are activate but port not open? - Why SSH service are activate and port open? (I think is a security problem) - Why telepathy-sofiasip package is no installed by default ? (Because it work) - Why are there, in Gnome Desktop, 3 redundant and not useful icons? (Computer, User's Home and Trash) For the last question, the problem is that these three place are already accessible from the two Gnome Panels. 'Computer' and 'User's home' are accessible from 'Places' menu of Gnome menu and 'Trash' from the Trash icon in bottom right. Thanks for all answers and good day. (^_^)

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F14 Beta RC3 images available for validation testing!
by Adam Williamson 22 Sep '10

22 Sep '10

Hi, everyone. Fedora 14 Beta RC3 images - that's the third (and hopefully final) release candidate for F14 Beta - are now available for testing here: http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/14-Beta.RC3/ aside from anaconda fixes, the backgrounds are now present in LXDE and XFCE, and LXDE initializes ConsoleKit correctly, fixing several major issues. I've tested that each of these boots to a desktop successfully, so they're not DOA, you won't be wasting your time to download them. Please, if you have some time, help fill out the test matrix here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_14_Beta_RC3_Desktop just click on a test name, follow the steps, and enter your result in the table (there's a key explaining how to put the results in the table). Even if someone else has done a test, you can add your result: the table will handle this and we can have more confidence with many results than with one. Even if you can only do one or two tests, it's useful! We have to have the table filled out (at least with the Alpha and Beta tests) to go ahead and release the Beta. The go/no-go meeting is on Wednesday afternoon US time, so results need to be in by then for the Beta. Thanks a lot, everyone! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Desktop spin Beta RC3 validation passes
by Adam Williamson 21 Sep '10

21 Sep '10

Quick note - per my testing, Beta RC3 desktop spin passes the validation testing for Beta, with a couple of noted issues that don't break the criteria: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=624136 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=636104 testing from others to confirm is still welcome! I'm not always right =) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Twitter support broken in Pino
by Gianluca Sforna 10 Sep '10

10 Sep '10

If you are using Twitter with pino you probably noticed it stopped working on September, 1, duly reported in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=629192 This was due to twitter forcing oauth authentication on all API consumers, as explained by the gwibber author on ars technica: http://arstechnica.com/security/guides/2010/09/twitter-a-case-study-on-how-… Now, one interesting sentence from the article is: """ Most FOSS client developers have simply chosen to embed their keys in their source code with the hope that Twitter won't notice. I was about to give up on Gwibber, but Canonical intervened on my behalf (special thanks to Ken VanDine) and negotiated a compromise with Twitter that will allow Gwibber to continue using the service. """ So I'm wondering if we can lobby the same exception for pino, which is the default client we ship in the desktop spin Thoughts? -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://identi.ca/giallu - http://twitter.com/giallu

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adding support for evince back into gnome-python2
by Peter Robinson 01 Sep '10

01 Sep '10

Hi All, It was mentioned a while ago with the delay of gnome 3 we could have evince support back for F-14. Is there anything that's delaying this? Cheers, Peter

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