desktop October 2012

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gnome-shell application search much less useful in f18
by Ryan Lerch 29 Oct '12

29 Oct '12

While I have been testing out the fedora 18 beta, i noticed a significant change in the behaviour of the search in the overview mode. A good example of this is if you search for either "browse" or "web" in F17, you will get firefox in the results. However, in f18, searching for "browse" or "web" does not show firefox at all. I discovered this a few weeks ago, and filed bugs both against fedora[1] and upstream in gnome[2], and the gnome bug has some insight into what has changed. Previously, in f17, the gnome-shell search matched against the fields for Name, Command and Comment. However in Gnome 3.6 in f18, it no longer matches against the Comment field. According to the response in the gnome bugzilla, the gnome-shell tool does now match against "keywords" that are specified in the desktop file, but it seems that not many desktop files have relevant keywords specified. In short, there are a lot of search terms that people were able to use in f17 that will now be broken in f18, as the majority of desktop files do not have relevant keywords specified. I'm not sure what the best plan is to fix this. The tagger app for fedora does have a lot of great keyword data already for packages, but it seems like a lot of work to update every package with keyword metadata when the old way worked, even though it was a bit crufty and matched "in"s and "on"s and other small words in the comment field. cheers, ryanlerch [1] - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864593 [2] - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685824 [3] - https://apps.fedoraproject.org/tagger/dstat

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Install evolution-ews by default
by Debarshi Ray 16 Oct '12

16 Oct '12

From Fedora 18 (ie. GNOME 3.6) onwards GNOME Online Accounts lets you configure your MS Exchange account via EWS, which you can then access using Evolution: https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/GoaExchange However, for Evolution to work, the evolution-ews package is needed. Any objections to editing comps.xml so that it is installed by default? Its size is 307 kB. Cheers, Debarshi

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DLNA totem client plugin
by Ankur Sinha 15 Oct '12

15 Oct '12

Hi folks, I was wondering if anyone would know of the status of the totem dlna client plugin[1]. It would be a good addition and would certainly improve user experience :) I couldn't find it in the repos, nor on bugzilla. If it works well enough, I could try and package it (until it's added to the totem source tree). [1] http://coherence.beebits.net/wiki/Totem -- Thanks, Warm regards, Ankur: "FranciscoD" Please only print if necessary. Looking to contribute to Fedora? Look here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha http://dodoincfedora.wordpress.com/

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Drop start.fedoraproject.org in favour of about:home
by Elad Alfassa 07 Oct '12

07 Oct '12

This message is sent to two lists: websites and desktop. start.fedoraproject.org has many problems [0], mainly: 1) it's ugly 2) it doesn't serve a clear function 3) It's one of the first things people trying Fedora will see, so it'll effect their opinion about Fedora. I suggest we just drop this page completely and use the default firefox about:home start page instead. Thoughts? [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Start.fpo_redesign -- -Elad Alfassa.

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Re: Drop start.fedoraproject.org in favour of about:home
by Matthew Miller 05 Oct '12

05 Oct '12

On Fri, Oct 05, 2012 at 04:35:28PM +0200, Kévin Raymond wrote: > So the real question is: > Do we want this page to be contributor or end user centric? As we try > to keep both with a simple page, it could not work easily. Making the page user-centric makes sense, but remember our target users are people we want to engage so they can become contributors -- even if they're not developers. We were talking in the Marketing meeting about updating the default bookmarks to point to Ask Fedora, and one excellent point is that those are only used for brand-new users. The start page is something we can (and should) refresh. It's unfortunate that it's not as pretty as the http://fedoraproject.org main page -- but we can fix that. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>

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Re: Drop start.fedoraproject.org in favour of about:home
by Elad Alfassa 05 Oct '12

05 Oct '12

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Kévin Raymond <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org>wrote: > >> > 3) It's one of the first things people trying Fedora will see, so > it'll > >> > effect their opinion about Fedora. > >> > > >> > I suggest we just drop this page completely and use the default > firefox > >> > about:home start page instead. > >> > Thoughts? > >> > >> As seen before this page is used, to get people on the Planet. > > > > The planet is not really interesting for end-users, and contributors > already > > have them in their RSS readers. > > So the real question is: > Do we want this page to be contributor or end user centric? As we try > to keep both with a simple page, it could not work easily. > Existing contributors already follow the planet or know about it, and this page is not helping to get any potential contributors (aka end-users) to contribute, because it's cluttery and scary and has a lot of tecnobabble from the planet and announcements. The default browser homepage is not the place to recruit new contributors, and it's really not the place to show information for existing contributors (we have mailing lists, wiki and planet RSS feed for that) -- Kévin Raymond (shaiton) GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2 > -- -Elad Alfassa.

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Re: Drop start.fedoraproject.org in favour of about:home
by Elad Alfassa 05 Oct '12

05 Oct '12

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Ryan Lerch <rlerch(a)redhat.com> wrote: > > > On 05/10/12 10:30, Elad Alfassa wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Kévin Raymond <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org> >> **wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Elad Alfassa <elad(a)fedoraproject.org> >>> >>>> start.fedoraproject.org has many problems [0], mainly: >>>> 1) it's ugly >>>> >>> > You can help >>> >> > I've tried, but the general agreement of the design team was that the page >> is useless >> >> > I am happy to help with a resign and decluttering of that page if needs be! > > Do you have any links to the discussion about the design team agreeing it > is useless? Seeing past discussions on this will help in designing a better > page. > Yes, link [0] in my original message. > > cheers, > ryanlerch > > > -- -Elad Alfassa.

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Re: Drop start.fedoraproject.org in favour of about:home
by Elad Alfassa 05 Oct '12

05 Oct '12

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Kévin Raymond <shaiton(a)fedoraproject.org>wrote: > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Elad Alfassa <elad(a)fedoraproject.org> > wrote: > > This message is sent to two lists: websites and desktop. > > > > start.fedoraproject.org has many problems [0], mainly: > > 1) it's ugly > > You can help > I've tried, but the general agreement of the design team was that the page is useless > > > 2) it doesn't serve a clear function > > Yes it is, it shows me the awesome Fedora logo many times a day :) > Not really useful. you can put a sticker next to your screen instead, if you want. > > > 3) It's one of the first things people trying Fedora will see, so it'll > > effect their opinion about Fedora. > > > > I suggest we just drop this page completely and use the default firefox > > about:home start page instead. > > Thoughts? > > As seen before this page is used, to get people on the Planet. > The planet is not really interesting for end-users, and contributors already have them in their RSS readers. > And about:home will work only on Firefox, where we can actually set > start.fpo to the home of every browsers if needed. > > Then we should use upstream default homepage for every browser we ship. > > > > [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Start.fpo_redesign > > -- > > -Elad Alfassa. > > > > > > -- > > websites mailing list > > websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites > > > > -- > Kévin Raymond > (shaiton) > GPG-Key: A5BCB3A2 > -- > websites mailing list > websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites -- -Elad Alfassa.

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upgrading issue to f18
by Akira TAGOH 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

Hi, I have a problem on upgrading to f18 for the input method because of the new feature, the input source on GNOME 3.6. IBus is now managed under GNOME by that feature but there are no compatibilities between older IBus configuration and GNOME's. in addition to it, there are no IME nor the shortcut key by default for certain languages. also heard that we won't ship gnome-initial-setup in f18 (assuming that it's responsible to setup for them too). thus, those matters introduces IBus won't work until one set up on gnome-control-center, which is obviously an regression. One positive idea to migrate the configuration is to use gsettings command line tool for initial boot and my questions is: 1) is there any possible issues if any script changes something through gsettings? 2) if not, where would it be better to do? in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d ? or via XDG autostart? 3) or is there any better idea to address this issue? TIA, -- Akira TAGOH

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