desktop November 2016

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[wayland] Applications are unable to grab input
by Christian Stadelmann 20 Apr '17

20 Apr '17

One main difference between x11 and wayland is that in x11 all applications receive all input whereas in wayland the compositor receives input and decides which application may receive it. This causes a major issue with application which need input grab for running or showing a nested desktop. This affects e.g. GUI virtual machines (SPICE clients), RDP clients, VNC clients, nested kwin/gnome-shell/whatever. See also: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1285770 . Games might also be affected, I don't know. I'm posting this here to raise attention because 1. to fix this we need another protocol (extension) 2. this issue can't be fixed in a single application, it needs the whole stack (wayland library, compositors, affected applications) to change Compared to the other bugs in "WaylandRelated" lists [1] [2], these bugs need architecture design, not just fixing bugs in one package. I don't know whether this mailing list is the right place to discuss an issue like this. If you know better, please tell me. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1277927&hide_resolved… [2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=757579&hide_resolved=1

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Gnome-shell extenstions in Gnome-software
by Ryan Lerch 08 Dec '16

08 Dec '16

Hi all, Just wondering a few things about the extensions that are available for download in gnome software: * Are these just from extensions.gnome.org? or a mix of the extensions we have packaged in the Fedora repos, with others from the extensions.gnome.org website? * In both cases, (extenstions.gnome.org & the repos) where is the appdata coming from that shows them in gnome-software? * what would be the best way to get more of the extenstions showing in gnome-software? package them up in Fedora, with appdata? * how does a contributor help with this, i.e. adding things like screenshots, AFAICT none of the extenstions have screenshots. cheers, ryanlerch

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Remove the chains of opression: Gnome Online Accounts is spyware
by dwella＠cock.li 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

Gnome Online Accounts is spyware. As simple as that. You can remove those packages in all the other distributions, BUT NOT ON FEDORA. Only Fedora can't handle it, the removal of the mentioned package would also remove gnome-shell. This is oppression by design. Since it is not possible to add custom OAuth providers to the Gnome Online Accounts GUI without rebuilding the source, I see no use for it personally. For me, it is spyware. I would never connect my machine to Google, Microsoft or any NSA outlets. No thank you.

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Proposal: Fedora Workstation ships with enabled trusted flatpak runtime remotes
by Jiri Eischmann 29 Nov '16

29 Nov '16

Hi, I'm trying to find a way to make installation of flatpak applications as simple as possible. LibreOffice for Flatpak has been out for a couple of months and the feedback is that the installation process is too complex. It has improved with GNOME Software 3.22 supporting flatpak bundle installation. But you still have to manually add a remote with required runtime and install that runtime if it's not already installed. One solution would be giving apps an option to add a remote and install the required runtime from it, but Alex sees that as a potential security issue. Another solution would be shipping Fedora Workstation with trusted remotes with flatpak runtimes enabled. It's not a long list right now, pretty much just: FreeDesktop.org, GNOME, and KDE. Vast majority of existing flatpak apps are using runtimes provided by these. If those remotes were enabled in Workstation by default, then installing a flatpak bundle such as LibreOffice would be just a matter of double- clicking the file and approving the operation because Software/Flatpak could figure out the rest including installation of a runtime from one of the trusted remotes. If the required runtime were not in one of the trusted remotes, the user would be told that the runtime was not found in trusted remotes and he'd have to install it manually before installing the app. But that's not the case for many apps now. It's basically enabling 3rd party software sources which requires an approval of the Workstation Working Group if I understand it correctly. So I'd like to propose this for discussion in the working group. Jiri

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I asked Hacker News what developers want from a desktop, and this is what they said
by Matthew Miller 28 Nov '16

28 Nov '16

The startup-scene dev message board Hacker News has an "Ask HN" section, and I used it to ask what developers want from a desktop in 2017. <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12703836> Here's a summary of what they said: * Make upgrades painless. This is often presented as "make it LTS or rolling", but in digging further, it's almost always "I don't want to have to devote a day of downtime to upgrading twice a year". * Other improvements to updates (not necessarily upgrades): make them happen in the background, and provide a way to roll back if something isn't good. Also this for user tweaks rather than just updates. * Give the ability to have package X move at a pace I choose. Separate dev stack from base OS. * Hardware compatibility just works. (Wifi, sound, HDMI, graphics, suspend, etc.) * Mixed DPI multi-monitor support. * Look nice, better fonts, general usability, etc. * Cross-distro packaging * Containerized GUI apps -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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Distribution icon
by Misha S. 24 Nov '16

24 Nov '16

Hi. Do you remember how there used to be a Fedora icon in GNOME menu and you could see it in screenshots people made? How about making Fedora spread the word again? This is what I found on a local community's message board [1]. There's the icon [2] drawn by an extension. Extensions should be more version-independent now in GNOME Shell, right? Just wanted to put it out there. [1] https://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/13033433.jpg [2] https://yadi.sk/d/XyZEsuSUzJGiP Misha https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Misha English / Español / Italiano / Русский

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The Fedora Prioritized bugs and issues process
by Jan Kurik 24 Nov '16

24 Nov '16

Hi everybody, as discussed in [1] email thread, we are starting the "Fedora Prioritized bugs and issues process" [2]. The main goal is to identify and make more visible bugs and issues which have critical impact on a Fedora Edition or on a council-approved Fedora Objective. We will start with our first evaluation meeting on Wednesday November the 30th, 2016 at 15:00 UTC on #fedora-meeting IRC channel [3]. I will be happy if people interested in participation on the evaluation will let me know, so we can setup the initial Evaluation team. [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org… [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Program_Management/Prioritized_bugs_a… [3] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/Fedora%20release/2016/11/28/#m5154 Regards, Jan -- Jan Kuřík Platform & Fedora Program Manager Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic

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Lenovo T440s display issues on F24
by Wes Gelpi 22 Nov '16

22 Nov '16

I have installed F24 on my T440s. I very rarely can get an external monitor to work outside of my docking station. Whenever I go into a conference room it won't recognize the external display OR it will recognize it but the display won't turn on. I have tried everything in the way of troubleshooting that I can think of. Has anyone else encountered this and found a solution?

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How can I enable screencasts?
by Christian Stadelmann 22 Nov '16

22 Nov '16

I'm trying to create a screencast for a bug report. In a F25 Beta VM I can do this by pressing Shift+Ctrl+Alt+R. On my F25 (updated) installation I can't. I guess this is because I uninstalled some package, but I don't know which one. I'm using wayland (and want to reproduce a bug under wayland) so using X11 instead is no option. I've tried recordmydesktop, but the GUI immediately crashes on start and the CLI can't record wayland windows, creating a black video instead. Do I have to install some package(s)?

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WG members: Please answer survey for meeting time
by Paul W. Frields 21 Nov '16

21 Nov '16

http://doodle.com/poll/uaad3gy87f9navy4 Working Group members -- please answer this survey ASAP so we can determine whether there's a better timeslot for our meeting. If you're not a WG member you're welcome to answer but only WG members' responses will be considered critical for setting the time. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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