desktop April 2017

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Some performance criticisms of F25
by Michael Catanzaro 09 Jul '17

09 Jul '17

Hi, Jiri found this review (among many) of Fedora 25: http://www.hecticgeek.com/2016/12/fedora-25-review/ It includes a couple recommendations: * We should restore systemd-readahead to speed boot time by ~30% for users without SSDs. Endless has a downstream patch for this. Or we could use Ubuntu's readahead utility. * We should switch from CFQ to deadline I/O scheduler (which Ubuntu has been using for years) for subjective massive responsiveness improvements when the system is under load Of these, the later seems easier to change and more important. Anyone know why we're still using CFQ? If the answer is "it's better for servers" then perhaps we need a mechanism to adjust this on a per- product basis. Just wanted to put these issues back on the radar.... Michael

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by stickster＠gmail.com 22 Apr '17

22 Apr '17

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2017-04-24 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 America/New_York At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/5163/

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Filing Issues / Feature requests for Workstation
by Ryan Lerch 21 Apr '17

21 Apr '17

After reading the discussion on this recent post on the Fedora Magazine: https://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-workstation-get-features-want-now/ I began to wonder if it was worth discussing if there is a better way to gather and discuss bugs / RFEs for Workstation as a whole. Currently, the two ways for doing this is this mailing list, and bugzilla. The mailing list is great for discussions, but once a discussion is opened, and completed, it is kind of difficult to track after the fact. Bugzilla is great for tracking issues / RFEs for specific packages, but unless a user knows exactly what package an improvement or bug applies to, it has the potential to kind of get lost as well. Would it be worth consider using a pagure ticket queue to gather and discuss some of these items, and some of the initiatives that we want to work on for Workstation? cheers, ryanlerch

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Our custom firefox useragent prevents Fedora users from watching netflix on Firefox
by Elad Alfassa 21 Apr '17

21 Apr '17

Hi, Netflix have recently (and also, finally) started supporting Firefox on Linux, which is great for Fedora users who want to watch Netflix without having to install Chrome or Chromium. However, there's a catch: our default Firefox user agent is blocked by Netflix. If you try to use Firefox on Fedora to watch netflix, you'd get an error message that silverlight is required. If you then change the user agent to "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0" (you can set general.useragent.override in about:config) and try again, netflix will work without any problem. I think we should fix this, because it's silly to force user to install a non-default browser to do this kind of thing. There are two ways we could fix this: 1) Stop using a custom user agent. This also has the benefit of making Fedora users a bit less trackable, but the downside of not having a way to measure active Fedora users online (which is why the custom one was re-introduced, iirc). 2) Someone with an official position within Fedora / Red Hat could email Netflix and ask them to stop blocking our custom user agent. I think Netflix's rationale for blocking non-upstream user agents is that their "help page" says "Supported on stable, official release builds from Mozilla. Non-Mozilla builds are not supported.". Considering the fact that most Linux users (and especially Fedora users) don't run the mozilla builds, and that Firefox in Fedora meets all of mozilla's branding guidelines to be eligible for officially calling itself Firefox, I think that limitation is silly, so we probably should convince Netflix to change their user agent blocking policy. -- -Elad.

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[wayland] Applications are unable to grab input
by Christian Stadelmann 20 Apr '17

20 Apr '17

One main difference between x11 and wayland is that in x11 all applications receive all input whereas in wayland the compositor receives input and decides which application may receive it. This causes a major issue with application which need input grab for running or showing a nested desktop. This affects e.g. GUI virtual machines (SPICE clients), RDP clients, VNC clients, nested kwin/gnome-shell/whatever. See also: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1285770 . Games might also be affected, I don't know. I'm posting this here to raise attention because 1. to fix this we need another protocol (extension) 2. this issue can't be fixed in a single application, it needs the whole stack (wayland library, compositors, affected applications) to change Compared to the other bugs in "WaylandRelated" lists [1] [2], these bugs need architecture design, not just fixing bugs in one package. I don't know whether this mailing list is the right place to discuss an issue like this. If you know better, please tell me. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=1277927&hide_resolved… [2] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=757579&hide_resolved=1

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coredumpctl files > 20MB can't be uploaded to bugzilla
by Chris Murphy 19 Apr '17

19 Apr '17

Hi, Can/will bugzilla's limit be raised on attachments? I'm seeing coredumpctl files are often right at the 20MB cutoff. The biggest I've seen so far is 21MB. -- Chris Murphy

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flatpak issues in F26 alpha
by Chris Murphy 11 Apr '17

11 Apr '17

Hi, There's too much confusion or too many bugs to even start filing... http://flatpak.org/apps.html Click on LibreOffice, the very first link. Click on that file from within FireFox, and it opens Gnome Software which gives me the option to install. I click install. It counts up from 0% to 84% and then the status bar turns back into an Install button. There's no error message. LibreOffice is not installed. [chris@f26h ~]$ flatpak remotes gnome user org.libreoffice.LibreOffice-origin user,no-enumerate I'm not expecting these to be user installed but rather system installed. This user is an admin and I really don't want every user on this system having to install their own copy of e.g. LibreOffice. My understanding is admin users would have runtimes and apps installed as system not user. [chris@f26h ~]$ flatpak remote-delete org.libreoffice.LibreOffice ## Gnome shell puts up a modal authentication dialog. I didn't have to authenticate to get to this point, why do I have to authenticate to back out? Anyway, I authenticate and: error: GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._g_2dio_2derror_2dquark.Code1: Remote "org.libreoffice.LibreOffice" not found [chris@f26h ~]$ flatpak remote-delete gnome ##authenticate dialog error: GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._g_2dio_2derror_2dquark.Code1: Remote "gnome" not found I can't modify these either. So now I'm stuck. Back in Gnome Software, click on the Install button and it does nothing, no error message. -- Chris Murphy

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OpenH264 in Fedora 26
by Chris Murphy 10 Apr '17

10 Apr '17

In Fedora 26 clean installed, I run into sites using H.264 content that produces a "no video with supported format and MIME type found" in Firefox as preinstalled; and also Chromium from Fedora repo. Is this page still valid? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OpenH264 Even doing everything on that page, I'm still running into the following confusion: 1. about:support in Firefox Compositing Basic Hardware H264 Decoding No; Failed to create H264 decoder Decision Log HW_COMPOSITING blocked by default: Acceleration blocked by platform OPENGL_COMPOSITING unavailable by default: Hardware compositing is disabled 2. Numerous examples of site that won't play content http://www.html5videoplayer.net/html5video/mp4-h-264-video-test/ http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/h264-test-16x9-medium-10415218 3. http://html5test.com/index.html This says H.264 is not supported Are there bugs I should file? This is all pretty confusing. -- Chris Murphy

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2017-April-10
by Michael Catanzaro 10 Apr '17

10 Apr '17

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-04-10/workstation.2… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-04-10/workstation.2… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-04-10/workstation.2… ================================= #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG ================================= Meeting started by mcatanzaro at 13:00:12 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-04-10/workstati on.2017-04-10-13.00.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (mcatanzaro, 13:00:44) * F26 Marketing talking points (mcatanzaro, 13:08:06) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_26_talking_points (x3mboy, 13:12:36) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_26_talking_points#Fedora_Work station (mcatanzaro, 13:13:45) * Alpha release: any feedback to consider? (mcatanzaro, 13:17:59) * Plymouth/keyboard layout issue (mcatanzaro, 13:20:38) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1405539 (mcatanzaro, 13:20:44) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1405539#c29 (mcatanzaro, 13:30:21) * Workstation technical spec review (mcatanzaro, 13:32:17) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Technical_Specification (mcatanzaro, 13:32:49) * AGREED: Package list to be removed from technical specification. (mcatanzaro, 13:36:22) * F26 blocker: goa-daemon not stopped on logout, and gnome-keyring unusable on next log in (mcatanzaro, 13:36:47) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1340203 (mcatanzaro, 13:37:07) * GNOME Software bandwidth issues (mcatanzaro, 13:43:53) * Open floor (mcatanzaro, 13:56:22) Meeting ended at 14:00:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * mcatanzaro (72) * mclasen (22) * zodbot (13) * juhp (10) * x3mboy (8) * rdieter (6) * kalev (6) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by stickster＠gmail.com 08 Apr '17

08 Apr '17

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2017-04-10 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 America/New_York At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/5163/

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