desktop May 2020

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Re: Supporting hibernation in Workstation ed., draft 1
by Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek 31 May '20

31 May '20

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:34:38AM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > Also I had to do 'echo freeze >/sys/power/state' for s2idle as systemctl has > no such option (nor there is any GUI option for s3idle AFAIK). SuspendState=freeze can be set through a configuration file. See systemd-sleep.conf(5). Zbyszek

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Supporting hibernation in Workstation ed., draft 1
by Chris Murphy 29 May '20

29 May '20

Hi, Fedora Workstation working group has been investigating the working state of hibernation (suspend to disk) for about four months, and has produced a draft status report on the findings so far. Present status, impediments to support, and importantly, the specifics of how to address those impediments, are described. This is a draft, to reflect on-going work in this area. It's intended to be short and consumable. Suggestions welcome. I include the synopsis below for better visibility and list search. https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/blob/master/f/hibernationstatus.md --- Synopsis: The Fedora Workstation working group recognizes hibernation can be useful, but due to impediments it's currently not practical to support it. This is a recognition of the current state of affairs, but the working group wishes hibernation could be relied upon, and thinks there is a viable approach for limited support of hibernation in the future. We encourage interested parties to pursue the needed improvements. In the meantime, given that hibernation isn't currently viable, the workstation WG decides that technical decisions will not be constrained by it. Decisions about Workstation's 'out of the box' configuration might conflict with the requirements of hibernation. There are desired enhancements to performance and security that are hindered by the status quo. The working group will re-evaluate when the significant impediments have been adequately addressed. We will support an install time means of enabling hibernation retained via Custom partitioning. If the user chooses to create a swap partition, the installer will include a resume=UUID kernel parameter hint so that the kernel can find the hibernation image. -- Chris Murphy

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 26 May
by Chris Murphy 28 May '20

28 May '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-05-26) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 23:53:05 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-05-26/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 23:53:24) * present: aday, neal, chris, tomas, mcatanzaro, mclasen, jens, james, feborges, link, landon, owen (cmurf, 23:53:26) * regrets: kalev (cmurf, 23:53:28) * Approve 19 May minutes (cmurf, 23:53:30) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-05-19-… (cmurf, 23:53:32) * AGREED: No objections - approved (cmurf, 23:53:34) * Announcements (cmurf, 23:53:36) * Followups (cmurf, 23:53:40) * F33 planning (cmurf, 23:53:46) * kanban (cmurf, 23:54:20) * adjourned (cmurf, 23:54:46) Meeting ended at 23:54:50 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (46) * zodbot (7) * aday (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 25 May '20

25 May '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-05-26 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9652/

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26 May, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 22 May '20

22 May '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-05-26 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - Approve 19 May minutes https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-05-19/workstation.2… - Announcements - Follow-ups - Topics Fedora 33 planning session https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/145 - Open Floor -- Chris Murphy

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 19 May
by Chris Murphy 19 May '20

19 May '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-05-19) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 17:11:27 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-05-19/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 17:11:50) * present: aday, cmurf, owen, neal, jens, mcatanzaro, felipe (cmurf, 17:11:52) * regrets: langdon, kalev, tomas, mattias (cmurf, 17:11:54) * Approve 12 May minutes (cmurf, 17:11:56) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-05-13-… (cmurf, 17:11:58) * AGREED: Minutes approved - no objections (cmurf, 17:12:00) * Announcments (cmurf, 17:12:02) * None raised (cmurf, 17:12:04) * Followups (cmurf, 17:12:06) * sd-homed eval continues (cmurf, 17:12:08) * Approve filtered view of flathub as third-party repo? (cmurf, 17:12:10) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/108 (cmurf, 17:12:12) * Allan has prepared a proposal to update the 3rd party repo policy, which he will present to the council: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/108#comment-652261 (cmurf, 17:12:14) * AGREED: Current approach seems OK (cmurf, 17:12:40) * ACTION: Owen to come up with an initial list of apps (cmurf, 17:12:42) * AGREED: It would be helpful to have a documented review process and inclusion criteria. Volunteers would be good. (cmurf, 17:12:46) * ACTION: Discuss advertising the apps in GNOME Software with Kalev and/or Richard. (cmurf, 17:12:48) * Open Floor (cmurf, 17:12:50) * No issues raised, adjourned (cmurf, 17:12:52) Meeting ended at 17:13:16 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Owen to come up with an initial list of apps * Discuss advertising the apps in GNOME Software with Kalev and/or Richard. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Owen to come up with an initial list of apps * Discuss advertising the apps in GNOME Software with Kalev and/or Richard. People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (36) * zodbot (7) * cyberpear (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Chris Murphy

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Workstation WG May, 19 2020 (regrets)
by Langdon White 19 May '20

19 May '20

I have multiple, conflicting meetings this week. As a result, I won't be able to make the meeting. I should be back next week though. -- Langdon

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 18 May '20

18 May '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-05-19 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9652/

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19 May, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 15 May '20

15 May '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-05-19 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - Approve 12 May minutes https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-05-13-… - Announcements - Follow-ups - Topics #108 Approve filtered view of flathub as third-party repo? https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/108 Open Floor -- Chris Murphy

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user switching criterion proposal
by Kamil Paral 15 May '20

15 May '20

Following the previous discussion [1] and the gathered support, here's a proposal for the user switching criterion. I believe we should put it into the Final milestone [2]. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ User switching User switching must work using the mechanisms offered (if any) by all release-blocking desktops in their default configuration. What is user switching? User switching is a process of changing the currently presented desktop session between concurrent sessions of two or more different users. The user sessions keep running in the background, and users can switch between them repeatedly without losing any running application state. For the purpose of this criterion, user switching doesn't include switching between different sessions of the *same* user. Work? The switching mechanism must correctly attempt the requested operation. If the operation doesn't work on a subset of graphical drivers, the release blocking decision should be based on the number of affected users, the problem severity and available workarounds (as is our [standard procedure](Basic_Release_Criteria#Basic_Release_Requirements)[3]). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The "in their default configuration" part is there to cover only cases where the system hasn't been modified in a substantial (and relevant) way. This will exclude cases where people e.g. install several desktop environments, replace their DM for a different one, tweak systemd settings, or install a non-default graphics driver. In the last paragraph I explicitly pointed out that we'll use our usual approach of judging the impact if the issue only affects certain configurations. I hope that alleviates some hardware-related concerns. Note: I considered the option to also include user switching in text-only environments (simultaneous user login on different VTs, as is common on Server), but it's not completely the same. I concluded it's better to have a separate and tailored criterion for it, if there's interest. Please comment, thank you. [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test%40lists.fedoraproject.or… https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kde@lists.fedoraproject.org/t… https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/139 [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_32_Final_Release_Criteria [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria#Basic_Release_Require…

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