desktop February 2021

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Release criteria proposal: networking requirements
by Adam Williamson 01 Mar '22

01 Mar '22

Hi folks! So at this week's blocker review meeting, the fact that we don't have explicit networking requirements in the release criteria really started to bite us. In the past we have squeezed networking-related issues in under other criteria, but for some issues that's really difficult, notably VPN issues. So, we agreed we should draft some explicit networking criteria. This turns out to be a big area and quite hard to cover (who'd've thought!), but here is at least a first draft for us to start from. My proposal would be to add this to the Basic criteria. I have left out some wikitext stuff from the proposal for clarity; I'd add it back in on actually applying the proposed changes. It's just formatting stuff, nothing that'd change the meaning. Anyone have thoughts, complaints, alternative approaches, supplements? Thanks! === Network requirements === Each of these requirements apply to both installer and installed system environments. For any given installer environment, the 'default network configuration tools' are considered to be those the installer documents as supported ways to configure networking (e.g. for anaconda-based environments, configuration via kernel command line options, a kickstart, or interactively in anaconda itself are included). ==== Basic networking ==== It must be possible to establish both IPv4 and IPv6 network connections using DHCP and static addressing. The default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops must work well enough to allow typical network connection configuration operations without major workarounds. Standard network functions such as address resolution and connections with common protocols such as ping, HTTP and ssh must work as expected. Footnote titled "Supported hardware": Supported network hardware is hardware for which the Fedora kernel includes drivers and, where necessary, for which a firmware package is available. If support for a commonly-used piece or type of network hardware that would usually be present is omitted, that may constitute a violation of this criterion, after consideration of the [[Blocker_Bug_FAQ|hardware-dependent- issues|normal factors for hardware-dependent issues]]. Similarly, violations of this criteria that are hardware or configuration dependent are, as usual, subject to consideration of those factors when determining whether they are release-blocking ==== VPN connections ==== Using the default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops, it must be possible to establish a working connection to common OpenVPN, openconnect-supported and vpnc-supported VNC servers with typical configurations. Footnote title "Supported servers and configurations": As there are many different VPN server applications and configurations, blocker reviewers must use their best judgment in determining whether violations of this criterion are likely to be encountered commonly enough to block a release, and if so, at which milestone. As a general principle, the more people are likely to use affected servers and the less complicated the configuration required to hit the bug, the more likely it is to be a blocker. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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2021-02-23 Meeting Agenda (secretary: Kalev)
by Michael Catanzaro 01 Mar '21

01 Mar '21

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2021-02-16 9:30 AM EST 14:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Approval of Feb 16 minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-02-17/workstation.2… Announcements, follow-ups, status reports Updated activities overview design for GNOME 40 / F34 https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/210 Automatically install the OpenH264 codecs https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84 gnome-software should allow configuring which software source takes precedence when installing software https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/187 Open Floor

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pipewire -- firefox keeps getting lost
by Matthew Miller 24 Feb '21

24 Feb '21

Sooo, on F34 branched, I am now haveing a problem where periodically (not narrowed down when), Firefox stops making noise. This is my new desktop system so I'm not doing anything super complicated, but it has built-in Navi 10 HDMI audio, which I'm not using, and a CM106-like device, which I am (because it has 4.0 surround). In the GNOME Settings, CM106-like is set as the output. But when I run pavucontrol, I see that Firefox has decided to switch to the Navi 10 audio. It looks like I can go to Configuration and turn off the things I don't need... but is it normal that I should have to do this? Shouldn't picking an Output Device in Settings mean "use this for all of the things"? -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 23 Feb '21

23 Feb '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2021-02-23 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9884/

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Here's something to be proud of!
by Matthew Miller 18 Feb '21

18 Feb '21

😀 Neal pointed this video out to me... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNcYSMOGtEQ Lots of good stuff, and nice to see how everyone's work here is really paying off in perception wins in the Linux enthusiast world and social media spaces. You all rock and should be super-proud of this! Thanks everyone! -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-02-16
by Chris Murphy 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-02-16) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 06:21:31 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-02-17/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 06:21:50) * present: Allan, Chris, Jens, Kalev, Langdon, Michael, Matthias, Neal, Tomas (cmurf, 06:21:51) * regrets: (cmurf, 06:21:53) * present guests: (cmurf, 06:21:55) * Approval of Feb 9 minutes (cmurf, 06:21:57) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-02-11/workstation.2… (cmurf, 06:21:59) * AGREED: no objections (cmurf, 06:22:01) * Announcements, follow-ups, status reports (cmurf, 06:22:03) * Neal has Fedora Btrfs talk at DevConf.cz at 11:30am EST on Thursday (2/18): (cmurf, 06:22:05) * LINK: https://devconfcz2021.sched.com/event/gmLp/btrfs-the-butter-of-fedora (cmurf, 06:22:07) * Allan has made a mockup to fix recommending proprietary software (cmurf, 06:22:09) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/203#comment-714868 (cmurf, 06:22:11) * Guidance what to do with vte copy paste regression (cmurf, 06:22:15) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/216 (cmurf, 06:22:17) * AGREED: Revert the commit that causes this regression (+8, 1, -0) (cmurf, 06:22:21) * ACTION: Chris to file a bug about this to get it into release notes (cmurf, 06:22:23) * Updated activities overview design for GNOME 40 / F34 (cmurf, 06:22:25) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/210 (cmurf, 06:22:27) * GNOME 40 Beta tarballs are being made this week, will land into Fedora 34 and Rawhide by the end of this week (cmurf, 06:22:29) * Allan will make a Fedora Magazine article about the GNOME 40 stuff after his upstream GNOME blogging stuff is done (cmurf, 06:22:31) * Broadcom wireless (cmurf, 06:22:33) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/116 (cmurf, 06:22:35) * Broadcom firmware is the only remaining unsolved hardware issue (cmurf, 06:22:37) * RPM Fusion b43-firmware spec seems to have standard firmware license tag? (cmurf, 06:22:39) * LINK: https://pkgs.rpmfusion.org/cgit/nonfree/b43-firmware.git/tree/b43-firmware.… (cmurf, 06:22:41) * ACTION: Matthias will reach out to Christian Schaller and Hans De Geode on this (cmurf, 06:22:43) * Open Floor (cmurf, 06:22:45) * DevConf.cz is this weekend (2/18-2/20) (cmurf, 06:22:47) * LINK: https://hopin.com/events/devconf-cz-2021 (cmurf, 06:22:49) Meeting ended at 06:23:12 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Chris to file a bug about this to get it into release notes * Matthias will reach out to Christian Schaller and Hans De Geode on this Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Chris to file a bug about this to get it into release notes * Matthias will reach out to Christian Schaller and Hans De Geode on this People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (35) * zodbot (7) * mcatanzaro (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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GNOME terminal limits select-all to what's visible
by Chris Murphy 16 Feb '21

16 Feb '21

As it turns out there's a bug where copying a large amount of selected text can cause Terminal to crash. The work around, which I'm experiencing in Rawhide, is worse than the bug: select-all is limited to just the immediately visible text. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-terminal/-/issues/288#note_1015588 Any ideas on a work around for the work around? I don't really want to have to run script all the time just because I might want to extract a bunch of text, and then have to deal with ensuing encoding problems. I also don't want to have to track down a replacement terminal application either. So far my work around has been to just not fight this and reboot Fedora 33 where the problem doesn't happen. -- Chris Murphy

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2021-02-16 Meeting Agenda (secretary: Neal)
by Michael Catanzaro 15 Feb '21

15 Feb '21

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2021-02-16 9:30 AM EST 14:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Approval of Feb 9 minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-02-11/workstation.2… Announcements, follow-ups, status reports Guidance what to do with vte copy paste regression https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/216 Updated activities overview design for GNOME 40 / F34 https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/210 Broadcom wireless https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/116 Open Floor

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 15 Feb '21

15 Feb '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2021-02-16 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9884/

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-02-09
by Chris Murphy 10 Feb '21

10 Feb '21

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-02-09) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 02:50:49 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-02-11/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 02:51:07) * present: owen, michael, tomas, matthias, jens, allan, neal, chris, langdon (cmurf, 02:51:09) * regrets: kalev (cmurf, 02:51:11) * present guests: james cassell, michel, robert (cmurf, 02:51:13) * Approval of 2 Feb minutes: (cmurf, 02:51:15) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-02-04/workstation.2… (cmurf, 02:51:17) * AGREED: No objections (cmurf, 02:51:19) * Announcements, follow-ups, status reports (cmurf, 02:51:21) * Make use of malcontent in the default install? (cmurf, 02:51:31) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/186 (cmurf, 02:51:33) * ACTION: kalev to enable it in rawhide (cmurf, 02:51:35) * remove photos (cmurf, 02:51:41) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/164 (cmurf, 02:51:43) * decide on monospace font by UI freeze (cmurf, 02:51:49) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/134 (cmurf, 02:51:51) * Updated activities overview design for GNOME 40 / F34 (cmurf, 02:51:53) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/210 (cmurf, 02:51:55) * Offline automated workstation installation not possible (cmurf, 02:52:05) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/85 (cmurf, 02:52:07) * ACTION: Owen to write a comment with suggestions (cmurf, 02:52:31) * Open Floor (cmurf, 02:52:39) * closed session on multimedia codecs (cmurf, 02:52:43) Meeting ended at 02:53:26 UTC. Action Items ------------ * kalev to enable it in rawhide * Owen to write a comment with suggestions Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * kalev to enable it in rawhide * Owen to write a comment with suggestions People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (54) * zodbot (7) * mcatanzaro (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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