desktop June 2021

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Release criteria proposal: networking requirements
by Adam Williamson 01 Mar '22

01 Mar '22

Hi folks! So at this week's blocker review meeting, the fact that we don't have explicit networking requirements in the release criteria really started to bite us. In the past we have squeezed networking-related issues in under other criteria, but for some issues that's really difficult, notably VPN issues. So, we agreed we should draft some explicit networking criteria. This turns out to be a big area and quite hard to cover (who'd've thought!), but here is at least a first draft for us to start from. My proposal would be to add this to the Basic criteria. I have left out some wikitext stuff from the proposal for clarity; I'd add it back in on actually applying the proposed changes. It's just formatting stuff, nothing that'd change the meaning. Anyone have thoughts, complaints, alternative approaches, supplements? Thanks! === Network requirements === Each of these requirements apply to both installer and installed system environments. For any given installer environment, the 'default network configuration tools' are considered to be those the installer documents as supported ways to configure networking (e.g. for anaconda-based environments, configuration via kernel command line options, a kickstart, or interactively in anaconda itself are included). ==== Basic networking ==== It must be possible to establish both IPv4 and IPv6 network connections using DHCP and static addressing. The default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops must work well enough to allow typical network connection configuration operations without major workarounds. Standard network functions such as address resolution and connections with common protocols such as ping, HTTP and ssh must work as expected. Footnote titled "Supported hardware": Supported network hardware is hardware for which the Fedora kernel includes drivers and, where necessary, for which a firmware package is available. If support for a commonly-used piece or type of network hardware that would usually be present is omitted, that may constitute a violation of this criterion, after consideration of the [[Blocker_Bug_FAQ|hardware-dependent- issues|normal factors for hardware-dependent issues]]. Similarly, violations of this criteria that are hardware or configuration dependent are, as usual, subject to consideration of those factors when determining whether they are release-blocking ==== VPN connections ==== Using the default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops, it must be possible to establish a working connection to common OpenVPN, openconnect-supported and vpnc-supported VNC servers with typical configurations. Footnote title "Supported servers and configurations": As there are many different VPN server applications and configurations, blocker reviewers must use their best judgment in determining whether violations of this criterion are likely to be encountered commonly enough to block a release, and if so, at which milestone. As a general principle, the more people are likely to use affected servers and the less complicated the configuration required to hit the bug, the more likely it is to be a blocker. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 07 Jul '21

07 Jul '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2021-06-29 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/9884/

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Fedora website - revamp
by Pawel Zelawski 06 Jul '21

06 Jul '21

Dear team, we decided it's time to rethink our needs and redesign Fedora main website from scratch. I would like to encourage your team to take a part in this initiative and work on this together as we need to make sure that we have everybody on board and all needs are taken into consideration. Based on initial input I gather from Fedora forum and meeting with Matthew I prepared one page with summary of what we are going to do and it's available here https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Fedora_Website_Revamp It's possible I'll move it to other place in the future but for now it will be our workspace. As a short term strategy I would like you to choose one representative from your team for upcoming kick-off meeting with other stakeholders and send me directly details like name, Feroda ID and e-mail address. It will be much easier for me to contact chosen person having this. Please try to do this by 30th June. I'm aware holiday period started and probably not everyone will be available but let's try to do our best and push forward this exciting initiative :) When I have all participants gathered I'll try to find common slot to organize session for us. Agenda will be included in invitation. Main goal of this kick-off will be to discuss known facts, go through goals, assumptions and requirements and also plan next steps for next couple of weeks. I'll propose long term strategy, approach and wider plan after meeting with all of you. Please read in advance https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Fedora_Website_Revamp and if you already have some requests, suggestion please send it to your representative and then each person can send it to me before kick-off. Taking into consideration we will have huge amount of stakeholders I don't see other way to work on this than having one person from each team, I hope you understand. Looking forward to work with all of you. Stay safe! -- Pawel Zelawski

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-06-29
by Matthias Clasen 30 Jun '21

30 Jun '21

#startmeeting Workstation WG (2021-06-29) #meetingname workstation #chair Neal #topic Rollcall #info present: Matthias (secr.), Neal, Chris, Tomas, Jens, Michael #info regrets: Allan #info present guests: Luna Jernberg(bittin), Omar Sandoval, Michel #topic Approval of June 23 minutes https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2021-06-23-… #agreed no objections #topic Fesco deadline is today, Owen wants agreement from wg for proposals for installing repos by default, and flathub with a filter Michael says that these proposals have been discussed and agreed to by the WG in the past, so this should be uncontroversial. Owen will wait a few hours for feedback on the proposals. #agreed interested parties should comment on the proposals after the meeting #topic Discussion with Omar Sandoval Chris introduces Omar and the topic of encryption of user/systemdata with btrfs. This is follow-up to discussion from 2 weeks ago. Hot question: When is the code expected to land in the upstream kernel? Omar expects this to land in complete form, not piecemeal. Timeline expectation: end-of-the-year btrfs-specific parts will be different from how fscrypt does things, so that will need a bit of extra attention. Chris is asking about enabling encryption at runtime. Omar says that he thinks about using the defrag code paths for this. Use case at facebook: container images with well-known, unencrypted base images and encrypted modifications. Chris is asking about providing user keys after the fact. Omar says that this sounds like a userspace problem. Neal asks about having multiple keys for decrypting. Omar says that the kernel only supports one encryption key, which would have to be protected in a key management system if multiple keys are desired. Omar says that upstreaming of all this work is still pending. He will reach out when things are in a state where testing would be useful. Neal was asking questions around backup and encryption. Followup questions can be sent to Omar Sandoval <osandov(a)osandov.com> #topic Open Floor Matthias mentions negotiations with Lennart about having him come back for homed discussion. Current Next weeks meeting is cancelled due to July 4, next meeting: July 13. #endmeeting

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Re: GNOME on Wayland does not work on latest Rawhide
by Florian Weimer 28 Jun '21

28 Jun '21

* Mohan Boddu: > On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:20 PM Florian Weimer <fweimer(a)redhat.com> wrote: >> >> * Mohan Boddu: >> >> > Not sure if its related, but bolt is also having an issue: >> >> What's your glibc version? glibc-2.33.9000-25.fc35 is the first build >> with the (then downstream-only) fix. > > I should have mentioned this earlier, but I updated to > glibc-2.33.9000-25.fc35 Then this must be a different bug. glibc or not glibc, I don't know. A backtrace with debuginfo might help. Maybe the received udev message has an unexpected format. Thanks, Florian

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Re: GNOME on Wayland does not work on latest Rawhide
by Florian Weimer 28 Jun '21

28 Jun '21

* Mohan Boddu: > Not sure if its related, but bolt is also having an issue: What's your glibc version? glibc-2.33.9000-25.fc35 is the first build with the (then downstream-only) fix. boltd issues have been reported as well, but I'm not sure if we have verified that they went away with the fix for the larger issue. Thanks, Florian

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2021-06-29 Meeting Agenda (Secretary: Matthias)
by Neal Gompa 25 Jun '21

25 Jun '21

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2021-06-29 9:30 AM EDT 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Approval of June 22 minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2021-06-23-… Announcements, follow-ups, status reports Encryption of user data (excludes system) + Omar Sandoval coming to talk about Btrfs native encryption https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/82 Open Floor

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Re: GNOME on Wayland does not work on latest Rawhide
by Florian Weimer 24 Jun '21

24 Jun '21

We could use some basic GNOME SHell debugging help here. Ideally, we'd like to run GNOME Shell in such a way that it does not perform X fallback and does not re-exec itself, and uses a specified VT (so that we can launch it over an SSH session). (This is about bug 1974970.) Thanks, Florian

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gnome-software development snapshots
by Milan Crha 23 Jun '21

23 Jun '21

Hi, to anyone whom would like to test the development version of the gnome-software early, I created a COPR repository with it: https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/mcrha/gnome-software-devel/ It currently provides upstream development version for the Fedora 34 and Rawhide. It's updated roughly twice a week, if there are done any changes in the code. Any issues might be reported upstream: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/-/issues Bye, Milan

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-06-22
by Chris Murphy 23 Jun '21

23 Jun '21

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-06-22) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 01:53:26 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-06-23/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 01:54:35) * present: Langdon (secr.), Allan, Neal, Chris, Tomas, Jens, Michael, Kalev (cmurf, 01:54:37) * regrets: (cmurf, 01:54:39) * present guests: (cmurf, 01:54:41) * Approval of June 15 minutes (cmurf, 01:54:43) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2021-06-18-… (cmurf, 01:54:45) * AGREED: no objections (cmurf, 01:54:47) * Announcements, follow-ups, status reports (cmurf, 01:54:49) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.fireside.fm/14 (cmurf, 01:55:01) * Local active admin users can install, but not remove, software without a password (cmurf, 01:55:03) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/233 (cmurf, 01:55:05) * AGREED: working group is in favor of the ticket (cmurf, 01:55:11) * Open Floor (cmurf, 01:55:13) * KDE Akademy schedule (cmurf, 01:55:17) * LINK: https://akademy.kde.org/2021/program (cmurf, 01:55:19) Meeting ended at 01:55:47 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (27) * zodbot (7) * Neal (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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