On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 13:38 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 15:12 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
- some people feel that there is a concerted effort in upstream GNOME to deemphasize and/or remove downstream branding. (The existence of a concept called GNOME OS probably doesn't help work against that perception.)
This seems a pretty inarguable trend to me: there is much more of a vertically integrated GNOME stack in Fedora than there ever used to be. We are replacing the generic Fedora firstboot with gnome-initial-setup, for GNOME installs. GNOME has been systematically attempting to replace system-config-* with environment specific changes.
I don't necessarily think this is a *bad* Thing, but it is definitely a Thing. There is a definite trend towards our default live image and package set becoming a lot more GNOME-y and a lot less Fedora-y.
Oh, I forgot: GTK+ is getting tied closer and closer to GNOME, and there is a strong blurring of the lines between GTK+ apps and GNOME apps. GDM used to be a GTK+-based, fairly desktop-agnostic login manager: it is now a special instance of GNOME Shell, strongly integrated with GNOME. It can load other desktops, but this is almost a coincidence at this point.
Again, I don't necessarily think these are bad things, but they're definitely things, and possibly ones Fedora as a project has not thought about systematically at the level of 'what does this mean for Fedora, and do we have to adjust anything else to account for these changes?'