On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 16:42 -0400, Ray Strode wrote:
Hi,
I don't necessarily think this is a *bad* Thing, but it is definitely a Thing. There is a definite trend towards our default live image and package set becoming a lot more GNOME-y and a lot less Fedora-y.
I don't see why more gnome integration implies being less fedora-y. A more integrated experience is good for Fedora and Fedora's image. We're way better than we used to be and it's because we've made things more seamless.
Well, it's less Fedora-y in that we used to have this kind of conception where there were desktop environments, controlled by the desktop team. Then the login manager, system config tools, and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of were controlled more or less by the distribution. GDM did stuff like setting language and keyboard layout, and wasn't really considered a part of the GNOME stuff (I don't think). It was expected that you could just swap out DMs (like skvidal thinks is still the case) and everything else should just deal with it. The system-config-* tools were part of Fedora and used across all desktops - it didn't matter what desktop you ran, you used system-config-keyboard and system-config-display and so on.
I think other desktops still think of things somewhat in those terms, but GNOME definitely doesn't: GNOME wants its own stack, almost top to bottom. And I think GNOME kinda assumes that every other desktop should handle its own login manager and its own configuration tools too. So I think there might be a bit of a cognitive disconnect there.