On 09/19/2013 04:54 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote:
Ok, so let me get this straight. You created a GNOME SIG because pressing Ctrl or Alt or Shift doesn't raise the curtain?
Creating a 'GNOME' SIG is rather passive-aggressive, but this isn't fair either. This is an example of causal reductionism of a much more complex problem in that the current Fedora userbase consistently takes issues with defaults and decisions made 'upstream.' You could attempt to reduce the problem to any single one of the ongoing controversies (lock screen shields, no minimize, suspend vs. shutdown, etc. etc.) but the whole problem is much more than the sum of its parts.
These recurring threads are a negative signal. They are symptomatic of a bigger problem - lack of open communication. I understand it is an inconvenience to sit down and write out a problem statement, thoughts behind various ideas explored in order to solve the problem, and a rational explanation of why the chosen solution was chosen and what users can expect ahead of time when you are working at breakneck pace and trying to get the tech designed and implemented in a timely manner. Doesn't constantly dealing with threads like this suck away the time you need to do the awesome work you do as well, though? Why not take the time you would spend dealing with threads like this and invest it in putting together some outlines of whatever is happening those Google Hangouts and IRC discussions that the majority of the Fedora community is not party to, so that there's a bit more context around the changes (users are ALWAYS resistant to change) available before folks start assuming the worst in the current vacuum of information and get whipped up into a froth like this? (git commit messages and the expectation that users who don't work on GNOME have jhbuilds of the development code really don't help.) Oh, and make sure these explanations actually land on Planet Fedora, and not just the upstream planet?
Also, consider that maybe folks like Johann need a place where they can safely experiment and learn from tweaking things without disturbing anyone else. Maybe through that experimentation they would end up reverse engineering the current 'frosted glass' decision-making process and come out with a practical understanding of why upstream made the decisions it made.
I don't think calling the SIG the 'GNOME SIG' makes sense though, especially since that's an upstream community's name. I would think it'd be better named, 'Desktop Playpen SIG,' 'Desktop Customization SIG,' or something like that.
Not that my opinion matters here.
~m