On 09/18/2013 10:48 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Having to maintain a separate spin isn't going to help us free time to work on this, and even if we are frustrated by some technical decisions that end up being made for us, we plough on, and try to provide better experience all the time.
Try yes succeeding no...
First nobody talked about you having to maintain anything or in other words add additional work to the workload that you already have.
The idea that I have personally in my head ( thou community that builds around Gnome SIG might take a different direction ) is making a venue for people to have fun with Gnome, try,test pod probe,poke experiment, explore and enjoy the last years of desktop as we know it.
It also can be used for practical purpose like for example it could be a perfect venue where the more invasive changes in Gnome ( like wayland integration ) might be introduced first time before exposed to the broader "consumer desktop" community. ( dd if=/dev/sdX of=/path/to/your.iso o create an iso to test if people prefer that )
So I'm not so sure we will be releasing a "spin" in that sense we traditionally are used to, as in as an iso file limited to iso sizes and what not hogging resources from releng,qa, infra that too me not only takes out any kind of experimental flexibility but it would take out all the fun of it as well and bury that under bureaucracy and I personally dont see that as an way forward in 5 years time.
My first it's to scratch is to shave of all the legacy cruff that Gnome is carrying with it in the distribution and fix things ( dependency ) in the process ( so the same result can be achieved via traditional means anaconda/lorax what not ) so I can see it for what it really is and where we are at ,not something that is buried under 20 years of *nix.
Then build an "Gnome recipe" as I call it with that gone on top of btrfs and the core/baseOS ( which uses in essence modified Kay's installer script as an installer for that recipe ) and store that and other "Gnome recipes" in a repo on github. ( Download that recipe, swap out couple of package for wayland components boom "Gnome wayland recipe" rename the script upload it to the repo and share it with the world )
Somewhere in the future we might come up with a native Gnome/gtk "stick it" app which you can download those recipes, select and "stick it" to your usb stick and share with your friends since there seems to be marked for that ( who would not want run Linus desktop for a week and see how it feels, well I know that I would not want to do that but I'm pretty sure his "fans" would like that ) .
Approaching it this way gives us ( the Gnome SIG community ) the freedom to "play" and have "fun" with Gnome without adding an additional load on our infrastructure and have us worries about Dennis coming and tackle us in our sleep or me having to smack myself in the back of my head wearing my QA hat while social networking the Gnome experience ;)
And those "recipes" can be easily altered/adjusted for the other *DE encase we as an community in large would like social networking the entire Fedora Desktop Experience
In anycase if you dont want participate in that effort simply dont.
JBG