Hi folks! So an F24 beta blocker was proposed today:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330941
because devassistant is not in F24 Workstation, and we have a criterion requiring that all 'core applications' listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Technical_Specification#Core_Appl... must be present.
Now you might note that devassistant isn't in that now, so what's the problem? It's not in it because I just took it out :)
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Workstation/Technical_Specificat...
There was a meeting last year where its removal was agreed by the WG: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2015-11-25-1...
but no-one updated the tech spec. There is an outstanding question, however. It seemed from the meeting that people might want to keep including the CLI, but in fact, the main 'devassistant' metapackage was removed from comps:
https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/comps.git/commit/?id=3ba95e811800f0dd548b4...
so no part of DA is in current Workstation composes. I don't know if you want to do anything about that. But I felt it was at least sufficiently clear that DA was no longer considered a 'core application' for Workstation and thus we don't need to block the Beta on it not being present.
I'd rather it wasn't included at all, personally.
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Hi folks! So an F24 beta blocker was proposed today:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1330941
because devassistant is not in F24 Workstation, and we have a criterion requiring that all 'core applications' listed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Technical_Specification#Core_Appl... must be present.
Now you might note that devassistant isn't in that now, so what's the problem? It's not in it because I just took it out :)
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Workstation/Technical_Specificat...
There was a meeting last year where its removal was agreed by the WG: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2015-11-25-1...
but no-one updated the tech spec. There is an outstanding question, however. It seemed from the meeting that people might want to keep including the CLI, but in fact, the main 'devassistant' metapackage was removed from comps:
https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/comps.git/commit/?id=3ba95e811800f0dd548b4...
so no part of DA is in current Workstation composes. I don't know if you want to do anything about that. But I felt it was at least sufficiently clear that DA was no longer considered a 'core application' for Workstation and thus we don't need to block the Beta on it not being present. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- desktop mailing list desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.org
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:02:29AM -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote:
I'd rather it wasn't included at all, personally.
As I understand it, the project is stagnant upstream and looking for new owners, so that's probably for the best.
That said, I _really_ hope we can find some features specifically of interest to developers for F25/F26. I want see some growth in http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-os next time around!
Matthew Miller píše v Čt 28. 04. 2016 v 08:33 -0400:
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 06:02:29AM -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote:
I'd rather it wasn't included at all, personally.
As I understand it, the project is stagnant upstream and looking for new owners, so that's probably for the best.
That said, I _really_ hope we can find some features specifically of interest to developers for F25/F26. I want see some growth in http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015#tech-os next time around!
I wonder how we can make the Fedora Developer Portal more visible in Fedora. When the article about refined look was published quite a few ppl complained it's difficult to find out that something like this even exists. Maybe as a bookmark in Firefox? But I rarely check out pre-installed bookmarks. Maybe as a webapp?
Jiri
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 05:39:17PM +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
I wonder how we can make the Fedora Developer Portal more visible in Fedora. When the article about refined look was published quite a few ppl complained it's difficult to find out that something like this even exists. Maybe as a bookmark in Firefox? But I rarely check out pre-installed bookmarks. Maybe as a webapp?
Yeah, this mirrors conversation around start.fpo and Fedora Magazine. It'd be nice to have better connections between the desktop and our community and content in general — I'd love to hear anyone's ideas.
On Thu, 2016-04-28 at 12:38 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
Yeah, this mirrors conversation around start.fpo and Fedora Magazine. It'd be nice to have better connections between the desktop and our community and content in general — I'd love to hear anyone's ideas.
In GNOME 3.20 we now have support for system-installed web apps. We could tuck these under a desktop folder (same as we currently have for Sundry and Utilities) if we really wanted to.
But TBH I think it would be best to just feature them more prominently on start.fedoraproject.org.
Michael
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 12:22:05PM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
But TBH I think it would be best to just feature them more prominently on start.fedoraproject.org.
I don't have any better idea, but I do feel like start pages are very late-1990s/early-2000s.
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Jiri Eischmann eischmann@redhat.com wrote:
I wonder how we can make the Fedora Developer Portal more visible in Fedora. When the article about refined look was published quite a few ppl complained it's difficult to find out that something like this even exists. Maybe as a bookmark in Firefox? But I rarely check out pre-installed bookmarks. Maybe as a webapp?
Links on getfedora.org?
Something like "Start developing on Fedora today! See this!"?
On 04/28/2016 01:37 PM, Egor Zaharov wrote:
Links on getfedora.org http://getfedora.org?
Something like "Start developing on Fedora today! See this!"?
We could do a link on getfedora.org/workstation; please loop in the websites team tho.
~m
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 05:39:17PM +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
I wonder how we can make the Fedora Developer Portal more visible in Fedora. When the article about refined look was published quite a few ppl complained it's difficult to find out that something like this even exists. Maybe as a bookmark in Firefox? But I rarely check out pre-installed bookmarks. Maybe as a webapp?
Another, radically unorthodox, approach would involve to fill it with original, high-quality content. Non-trivial stuff that you can't already get from the manpage or a simple DNF or web search. As it is, there's just not that much of it there.
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