Hi,
accounts-dialog doesn't have a help button and I don't understand the difference between different types of accounts - administrator, standard and supervised. Can we add a tooltip and a help button to help guide users on what these actually mean?
Rahul
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 01:03 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi,
accounts-dialog doesn't have a help button and I don't understand the difference between different types of accounts - administrator, standard and supervised. Can we add a tooltip and a help button to help guide users on what these actually mean?
I cannot help it, but... Are we going Windo.s way or what? But anyway, why do we support creating admin account while we don't support running gui apps as root? I always thought that *nix has been designed in a way that usual desktop installation would need only one admin (root) and as many ordinary users as people switching seats over there (each of which can perform administration task if they know the root password, preferably via PolicyKit supervised auth.; I'm skipping system users like ftp, apache, mail, etc.)... So I'd extend the question a bit: do we really need the administrator and supervised user choices when creating a new user and if so: why and what does they actually mean?
Martin
Martin Sourada (martin.sourada@gmail.com) said:
like ftp, apache, mail, etc.)... So I'd extend the question a bit: do we really need the administrator and supervised user choices when creating a new user and if so: why and what does they actually mean?
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2009-August/msg00103.html
Bill
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 10:50 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Martin Sourada (martin.sourada@gmail.com) said:
like ftp, apache, mail, etc.)... So I'd extend the question a bit: do we really need the administrator and supervised user choices when creating a new user and if so: why and what does they actually mean?
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2009-August/msg00103.html
Thanks, that explains the admin and user parts (and makes sense). But what about the "supervised user" rahul talked about (sorry if I missed it somewhere deeper in the thread)?
Martin
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 09:19 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 10:50 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Martin Sourada (martin.sourada@gmail.com) said:
like ftp, apache, mail, etc.)... So I'd extend the question a bit: do we really need the administrator and supervised user choices when creating a new user and if so: why and what does they actually mean?
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2009-August/msg00103.html
Thanks, that explains the admin and user parts (and makes sense). But what about the "supervised user" rahul talked about (sorry if I missed it somewhere deeper in the thread)?
The idea is to have an account type that has reduced privileges compared to a 'normal' account, e.g. for your kids. This will tie in with parental controls as well, eventually.
On 03/25/2010 06:23 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
The idea is to have an account type that has reduced privileges compared to a 'normal' account, e.g. for your kids. This will tie in with parental controls as well, eventually.
What does it do currently? It would be very useful to have some clear documentation via a help button.
Rahul
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 18:30 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 03/25/2010 06:23 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
The idea is to have an account type that has reduced privileges compared to a 'normal' account, e.g. for your kids. This will tie in with parental controls as well, eventually.
What does it do currently? It would be very useful to have some clear documentation via a help button.
Currently it gives you a regular account, without any extra policykit privileges. The 'user' and 'admin' account types get added to the desktop_user_r/desktop_admin_r groups, which are granted extra policykit privileges.
On 03/25/2010 06:45 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
Currently it gives you a regular account, without any extra policykit privileges. The 'user' and 'admin' account types get added to the desktop_user_r/desktop_admin_r groups, which are granted extra policykit privileges.
So the supervised user is currently no different from a regular user? Why not disable that option till we get that functionality in?
Rahul
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 18:47 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 03/25/2010 06:45 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
Currently it gives you a regular account, without any extra policykit privileges. The 'user' and 'admin' account types get added to the desktop_user_r/desktop_admin_r groups, which are granted extra policykit privileges.
So the supervised user is currently no different from a regular user?
It is, it's not in any PolicyKit groups.
Why not disable that option till we get that functionality in?
The user-accounts dialogue isn't installed by default, and you'll see more bits that aren't implemented yet, such as the GDM integration.
It's a work-in-progress, I don't see any point in removing functionality that we know isn't finished. Patches welcome.
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 13:48 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote:
The user-accounts dialogue isn't installed by default, and you'll see more bits that aren't implemented yet, such as the GDM integration.
It's a work-in-progress, I don't see any point in removing functionality that we know isn't finished. Patches welcome.
gdm integration actually made it into an F13 gdm build yesterday.
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 12:54 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 13:48 +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote:
The user-accounts dialogue isn't installed by default, and you'll see more bits that aren't implemented yet, such as the GDM integration.
It's a work-in-progress, I don't see any point in removing functionality that we know isn't finished. Patches welcome.
gdm integration actually made it into an F13 gdm build yesterday.
Yay!
What's stopping us from removing the system-config-users for the F13 liveCD?
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 01:48:55PM +0000, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 18:47 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 03/25/2010 06:45 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
Currently it gives you a regular account, without any extra policykit privileges. The 'user' and 'admin' account types get added to the desktop_user_r/desktop_admin_r groups, which are granted extra policykit privileges.
So the supervised user is currently no different from a regular user?
It is, it's not in any PolicyKit groups.
Why not disable that option till we get that functionality in?
The user-accounts dialogue isn't installed by default, and you'll see more bits that aren't implemented yet, such as the GDM integration.
It's a work-in-progress, I don't see any point in removing functionality that we know isn't finished. Patches welcome.
We might want to refer to this in notes clearly as a "tech preview" so user expectations are set properly. Any objections to me adding that information to the Release Notes?
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