Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-02/workstation.2016... Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-02/workstation.2016... Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-02/workstation.2016...
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Meeting started by stickster at 15:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-02/workstation.2016... .
Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 15:00:03)
* PulseAudio flat volumes (stickster, 15:04:33) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267 (stickster, 15:04:53) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267#c2 (stickster, 15:12:49) * ACTION: cschalle_ check in with Wim to move forward his flat-volume fixes upstream, and get estimate on upstreaming (stickster, 15:22:46) * ACTION: mcatanzaro Remind stickster to put this on agenda four weeks out ;-) to revisit (stickster, 15:23:30)
* Wayland - user marketing (stickster, 15:23:54) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.or... (stickster, 15:24:01) * Really the list that mattdm included is roughly all there is to say for general users (stickster, 15:33:55)
* Wayland F24 default go/no-go (stickster, 15:38:09) * stickster didn't put this on agenda but makes sense to discuss now so we're clear on what to do for Alpha freeze 2016-Mar-08 (stickster, 15:38:45) * ACTION: mclasen blog on "why Wayland anyway?" (stickster, 15:39:40) * ACTION: stickster crib from aforementioned blog to write up talking point for Marketing/Ambassadors (stickster, 15:39:56) * mclasen advises some blockers remaining, specifically text proto for the onscreen keyboard, and accessibility features remain undone atm (stickster, 15:50:31) * Unresolved on Wayland 24 default (+11: 3, -1: 1, +0: 2) (stickster, 16:03:41) * AGREED: We will resolve this fully next week, in addition to third-party content discussion (stickster, 16:05:42) * AGREED: , default can stay right now but we will be deciding next week on freeze exception to change back to X11, if needed (stickster, 16:06:32)
Meeting ended at 16:07:50 UTC.
Action Items ------------ * cschalle_ check in with Wim to move forward his flat-volume fixes upstream, and get estimate on upstreaming * mcatanzaro Remind stickster to put this on agenda four weeks out ;-) to revisit * mclasen blog on "why Wayland anyway?" * stickster crib from aforementioned blog to write up talking point for Marketing/Ambassadors
Action Items, by person ----------------------- * cschalle_ * cschalle_ check in with Wim to move forward his flat-volume fixes upstream, and get estimate on upstreaming * mcatanzaro * mcatanzaro Remind stickster to put this on agenda four weeks out ;-) to revisit * mclasen * mclasen blog on "why Wayland anyway?" * stickster * mcatanzaro Remind stickster to put this on agenda four weeks out ;-) to revisit * stickster crib from aforementioned blog to write up talking point for Marketing/Ambassadors * **UNASSIGNED** * (none)
People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (93) * mclasen (47) * mcatanzaro (46) * cschalle_ (25) * mattdm (24) * kalev (23) * zodbot (16) * otaylor (12) * rdieter (4) * jsmith (3) * davidshea (2) * adamw (1) * kalev-afk (1) * halfline (1)
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On Wed, 2016-03-02 at 11:09 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
- PulseAudio flat volumes (stickster, 15:04:33)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267 (stickster, 15:04:53) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267#c2 (stickster, 15:12:49) * ACTION: cschalle_ check in with Wim to move forward his flat- volume fixes upstream, and get estimate on upstreaming (stickster, 15:22:46) * ACTION: mcatanzaro Remind stickster to put this on agenda four weeks out ;-) to revisit (stickster, 15:23:30)
Update: Wim has dropped his objection to disabling flat volumes, and so Rex has disabled flat volumes in F24. I don't expect we'll need to follow up on this.
Michael
On Fri, 2016-03-04 at 10:50 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
On Wed, 2016-03-02 at 11:09 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
- PulseAudio flat volumes (stickster, 15:04:33)
* LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267 (stickster, 15:04:53) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267#c2 (stickster, 15:12:49) * ACTION: cschalle_ check in with Wim to move forward his flat- volume fixes upstream, and get estimate on upstreaming (stickster, 15:22:46) * ACTION: mcatanzaro Remind stickster to put this on agenda four weeks out ;-) to revisit (stickster, 15:23:30)
Update: Wim has dropped his objection to disabling flat volumes, and so Rex has disabled flat volumes in F24. I don't expect we'll need to follow up on this.
I don't want to be too much of a stickler, but 'wims objection' was not the only reason that we didn't approve the disabling. What about my objection ? I guess it is a moot point now, but it feels like the people who hate flat volumes just took matters into their own hands here and created a fait accompli.
On Fri, Mar 04, 2016 at 11:54:41AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I don't want to be too much of a stickler, but 'wims objection' was not the only reason that we didn't approve the disabling. What about my objection ? I guess it is a moot point now, but it feels like the people who hate flat volumes just took matters into their own hands here and created a fait accompli.
Yeah, I also am on the _personal_ side of disabling flat volumes but I agree with Matthias about the process. I don't know if this particular one needs to be revisited, but I'd really like to have it kept in mind in the future.
On Fri, 2016-03-04 at 12:04 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
Yeah, I also am on the _personal_ side of disabling flat volumes but I agree with Matthias about the process. I don't know if this particular one needs to be revisited, but I'd really like to have it kept in mind in the future.
Sorry, I simply wasn't expecting any further controversy once Wim said he was fine with disabling flat volumes; I'm sure Rex was not either, or he would not have taken this action.
Matthias, if you really want to keep flat volumes, let's discuss it at the next regular WG meeting.... (But I'm quite certain that disabling is the right thing to do, until the bug that prompted this is resolved.)
Michael
On Fri, 2016-03-04 at 13:14 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
Sorry, I simply wasn't expecting any further controversy once Wim said he was fine with disabling flat volumes; I'm sure Rex was not either, or he would not have taken this action.
Matthias, if you really want to keep flat volumes, let's discuss it at the next regular WG meeting.... (But I'm quite certain that disabling is the right thing to do, until the bug that prompted this is resolved.)
For the record, the discussion that led to this begins here:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1265267#c26
There Wim lists two conditions he would like to see met before reenabling flat volumes.
Michael
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