Hi folks,
Christian and I talked about some of the points brought up in this thread this morning and we agreed that a good way forward would be to come up with:
(1) A written policy on how we brand Fedora, and also
(2) A documented process that can be followed when there's a request to change that policy.
I'm going to go back through this thread (and some of the other related ones that have popped up over time, this seems to come up cyclically lately) and talk to some of the stakeholders involved (including Matthew from the Fedora POV, one of the RHEL product managers from the RHEL POV since our branding ability affects RHEL, Jakub who is one of the GNOME shell designers) to list out all of the goals / needs we have and various possibilities to address them that won't compromise the design but also achieve the goals we have (if that's possible :) Let's be optimistic and assume it is.)
I am going to reach out to some of our Red Hat corporate branding folks too since a lot of them have deep experience on this sort of problem space not just from RH's perspective but from their work at other companies and see if I can't find someone to advise us from that sort of third-person / objective POV as well - maybe they might have some good insight or solution we haven't considered.
I have a few other things to tie up today but I will have a rough draft at a problem statement written up this week and will start some other documentation too (e.g. going through the thread and pulling out potential suggested solutions, etc.) I will keep this list posted and keep things open so anybody can have the opportunity to suggest ideas / provide feedback / etc.
~m
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:17:58AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I have a few other things to tie up today but I will have a rough draft at a problem statement written up this week and will start some other documentation too (e.g. going through the thread and pulling out potential suggested solutions, etc.) I will keep this list posted and keep things open so anybody can have the opportunity to suggest ideas / provide feedback / etc.
Thanks Máirín! The Fedora Design Team* seems like a good place to figure this out, as I know you all have put a lot of thought and work into Fedora brand identity in the past.
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design, if anyone doesn't already know
Hi everybody,
On 10/14/2014 11:17 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I have a few other things to tie up today but I will have a rough draft at a problem statement written up this week and will start some other documentation too (e.g. going through the thread and pulling out potential suggested solutions, etc.) I will keep this list posted and keep things open so anybody can have the opportunity to suggest ideas / provide feedback / etc.
This hasn't fallen off my radar and I have put some work towards this but I'm not ready to send it out yet - I will definitely keep you updated though.
~m
Hi everybody,
Here's another quick status update -
On 10/14/2014 11:17 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I have a few other things to tie up today but I will have a rough draft at a problem statement written up this week and will start some other documentation too (e.g. going through the thread and pulling out potential suggested solutions, etc.) I will keep this list posted and keep things open so anybody can have the opportunity to suggest ideas / provide feedback / etc.
John Adams from Red Hat's corporate branding team has agreed to help us out with this and is going to be facilitating a phone discussion between various stakeholders involved in Fedora's branding. John's team has a depth of experience in dealing with tough branding issues and I believe their expertise is going to be a real asset in figuring out a way out of this pickle we've found ourselves in.
I've sent out some invites to various stakeholders (including Jakub from the GNOME design team, mattdm / the FPL, and folks from the downstream RHEL product team) to try to put together a group to meet about this sometime in the next 2-3 weeks; we are going to be working out when exactly in the next couple of days.
I also put together a problem statement and brief summary of the discussion here on the list. I want to make sure the stakeholders involved are okay with the wording of that statement before I post it here; I will do that as soon as everyone has had a chance to review.
I'll continue to keep everybody posted here as there's more to report.
~m
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 02:29:57PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi everybody,
Here's another quick status update -
On 10/14/2014 11:17 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I have a few other things to tie up today but I will have a rough draft at a problem statement written up this week and will start some other documentation too (e.g. going through the thread and pulling out potential suggested solutions, etc.) I will keep this list posted and keep things open so anybody can have the opportunity to suggest ideas / provide feedback / etc.
John Adams from Red Hat's corporate branding team has agreed to help us out with this and is going to be facilitating a phone discussion between various stakeholders involved in Fedora's branding. John's team has a depth of experience in dealing with tough branding issues and I believe their expertise is going to be a real asset in figuring out a way out of this pickle we've found ourselves in.
I've sent out some invites to various stakeholders (including Jakub from the GNOME design team, mattdm / the FPL, and folks from the downstream RHEL product team) to try to put together a group to meet about this sometime in the next 2-3 weeks; we are going to be working out when exactly in the next couple of days.
I also put together a problem statement and brief summary of the discussion here on the list. I want to make sure the stakeholders involved are okay with the wording of that statement before I post it here; I will do that as soon as everyone has had a chance to review.
I'll continue to keep everybody posted here as there's more to report.
This is great, Mo -- thank you for keeping this branding discussion moving forward.
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